Aerovane II anatomy

[firenock]

I come up with the diagram, please help me to know if this make sense. I am new to this too. So I would not be offended if you tell me this do not make sense or straight out wrong. That is why I post it here so I can learn more and make it better before I decide to use it as an ad!

[smj]

That is some way cool engineering! My first thoughts were where can I get a couple of those to try???

However - I wonder if the vast majority of archers out there will understand the presentation? How about it guys, does it make sense to everyone? If not, why? We need input - all is good in this case! We have been asked for marketing input, not design input.

Here are my thoughts -

My wife had trouble understanding what we were looking at. Getting it oriented correctly, without seeing it on an arrow, I think it might be tough to visualize. It would help, I think, to show these guys mounted, a large enough image to see how they look. Maybe point out design features from the mounted image.

Next, I understand the amount of engineering that goes into this development, but most folks don't want to pay for engineering... But they pay for speed. What's the gain between this and a standard fletching? What is the decrease in noise? (I don't have a good idea about how to quantify that one, most folks would have no idea at all about sound measurement.)

Do they come in colors? (Sorry, but people ask for colors... Personally, the black is cool!)

Is there a measurable gain in accuracy? Are these hunting or target or both?

If you are going to publish a guarantee tolerance such as 0.000001mm polish on a surface, will the manufacturing process support that? Is the surfaced actually polished, or just popped out of the mold? Any blem on the surface and people will be bringing them back saying that they are damaged. Maybe word it as "Designed for a glassy surface to..." which gives little wiggle room. For surface roughness, perhaps "Surface roughness designed to optimize..." I understand that statements like this do not show case, if you will, the engineering that went in to the product - but I am not sure the wide appeal would support using the data as you have done here.

I would like to see the mounted product off one end, too. Maybe from a slight angle, front or back? Then talk about the thickness and profiles where I can see what is being talked about. A flat 2D image does not convey well "pyramid structure" or minimized edges. Maybe a shot from the top down of the mounted fletch?

The wind channel looks like a flap in the photo... Is it hollow, will it rip off? (I wouldn't think so, but the mind tends to wonder some times!)

I like the owl wing design - right out of studies for stealth jet fighters for noise and drag reductions.

Is there a net gain when shot in cross winds? On days of big wind in general?

Will these drive a broadhead better?

I guess that for me, what you have would make a great spec page, but not a main page - single page - display. For a single page display, probably more on the advantages in application and less on the specs - but with a web site for all the specs - as shown above.

I think it a cool looking vane, have a good understanding of the engineering that went in to it, and would love to give some a try!

[royden]

SMJ - Dorge already knows I have asked for 50 of 'em! He says I have to wait ...


I agree that this is more of a tech brochure. I changed some of the wording (hopefully I didn't mess with the science) to be easily read by laymen. I ran out of room in Paint so I didn't play with all of your explanaitons, but some of them sounded great anyways!

I would take your 6 best features - Lightweight, owlwing, Bernoulli's principle,enginereed to reduce drag, enginereed to reduce noise, wind channell design - and highlight them around two different views of the vane (side and a birds eye view of the vane quartering away) - this would show your vane in a view that has depth.

Then advertise in bold letters what this vane is going to do for me and how it will make me a better archer ... This around an arrow fletched with the AVII. I think this is along the lines of SMJ, your gonna have to sell the average Joe on how much better this will make his shooting if he plunks down the extra cash to get the good stuff ... we know the engenering is great, but what can I do with it? And the Average Joe doesn't want to wade thru a bunch of tech talk - he wants to be spoon fed with a big spoon (American's )

Last I would say ... "due to an already high demand our manufacturin plants are gearing up to produce, red, yellow, F. Ornge, chartruese, pink, pur.... etc."

[madoktor1]

I agree with smj. First, I wanna try some of these and second, the average person doesn't understand the design specs just results. The specs page would be good for a website but for a single page ad, just the facts of speed gains and accuracy gains. Pictures of the vane mounted would be better too. JMO. I can't wait to get a set and put them up against my Blazers.

[firenock]

I whole hearted agree with all. I am just thinking what I am going to do with this. So I have a few VERY selected few testing it. The result are nothing short of UNBELIEVABLE. Now think what you would pay for
1) something that let your arrow hit 5.5 inches higher compare to a blazer at 30 yards. or 19" at 55 yards!
2) A totally quiet vane.
3) a vane that store energy in form of rotational energy instead of wasted it is sound
4) have less than 2.5% energy lost at 50 yard compare to 8.4% like blazer in one test we just did
5) 6 grains out of FC 1.3 and PP (production prototype) is 6.48. Final target is 4.7 grains. So there is still some work. As I may be able to add another 12 to 15 % more rotational ability after the weight reduction.
6) May snap and break broadhead due to extreme rotational energy store (BAD.. very bad)
7) will fly broad head and field point (after the bow is well tuned with the field point)

[firenock]

Do they come in colors? (Sorry, but people ask for colors... Personally, the black is cool!)
It is actually in white.. LOL I sharpie it so it take better photos.

Is there a measurable gain in accuracy?
Yes, very significant
Are these hunting or target or both?
BOTH

If you are going to publish a guarantee tolerance such as 0.000001mm polish on a surface, will the manufacturing process support that? Is the surfaced actually polished, or just popped out of the mold? Any blem on the surface and people will be bringing them back saying that they are damaged. Maybe word it as "Designed for a glassy surface to..." which gives little wiggle room. For surface roughness, perhaps "Surface roughness designed to optimize..." I understand that statements like this do not show case, if you will, the engineering that went in to the product - but I am not sure the wide appeal would support using the data as you have done here.
YES, and the weight variance is going to be with 0.02 grains. I pay a ton of money for guarantee surface roughness (copywrite on roughness patent) and polish work.
i am quite confident that 0.000,1 mm polish will be published. So I have 1,000% leeway.

I would like to see the mounted product off one end, too. Maybe from a slight angle, front or back? Then talk about the thickness and profiles where I can see what is being talked about. A flat 2D image does not convey well "pyramid structure"; or minimized edges. Maybe a shot from the top down of the mounted fletch?
I shall try

The wind channel looks like a flap in the photo... Is it hollow, will it rip off? (I wouldn't think so, but the mind tends to wonder some times!)
A cross section may do the trick
I like the owl wing design - right out of studies for stealth jet fighters for noise and drag reductions.
Thank you

Is there a net gain when shot in cross winds? On days of big wind in general?
Cross wind is unbelievable. At 25-mph cross wind broad-headit seems to have close no effect or less than 1/2 inches, and blazer at 2 degree helical is over 6.6 inches off. That is what happen when you work with wind instead of again it.

Will these drive a broadhead better?
Wonderfully and deeper (significantly deeper)

I guess that for me, what you have would make a great spec page, but not a main page - single page - display. For a single page display, probably more on the advantages in application and less on the specs - but with a web site for all the specs - as shown above.
I cannot agree more.

I think it a cool looking vane, have a good understanding of the engineering that went in to it, and would love to give some a try! [/quote]
By the 25 the of this month, only in white at this time though. I shall have 9 more colors...
red, orange, yellow, green, lime, blue, pink, black, white, clear total 10

[royden]

Jan 17, 2009 9:31:44 GMT -5 firenock said:

Cross wind is unbelievable. At 25-mph cross wind broad-headit seems to have close no effect or less than 1/2 inches, and blazer at 2 degree helical is over 6.6 inches off. That is what happen when you work with wind instead of again it.

Will these drive a broadhead better?
Wonderfully and deeper (significantly deeper)


red, orange, yellow, green, lime, blue, pink, black, white, clear total 10

I'm afraid to ask the cost but ... I do want to check 'em out ... I'm sure it will be a balance of is the benefit's worth the cost?

keep it up dorge

[firenock]

I'm afraid to ask the cost but ... I do want to check 'em out ... I'm sure it will be a balance of is the benefit's worth the cost?

keep it up dorge [/quote]

EXTREMELY reasonable for the cost of R&D plus the ULTRA expensive plastic
$10.95 for 18 pieces. it is for BOTH Aerovane and Aerovane II

[SPIKER]

Will you be releasing a special jig such as Bohning did for the Blazer?

[oldfarmsblueman]

I think Spiker sees the potential problem that I see
with a standard fletching clamp.The raised material
on the right side might affect how they go on if you
want them straight.