100 YD BROADHEAD ATTACK

[BT]

michihunter said:

admin said:

Want to start that thread all over?
NO WAY is 100 yards ethical

It'd be better if you said no way is 100yards ethical for yourself BT!! Hard to press your ethics on someone else with a blanket statement. In a lot of cultures eating dogs is considered ethical. Won't fly for most here in the States. But ethics are a "personal" thing.

Here we go!

I'd eat a dog .... no problems with that at all

As far as killing the dog , thats a matter of ethics
If you were going to have to gut shoot the dog in order to serve it to me I would say never mind.
If you might end up gut shooting it in order to serve me then I would say never mind.
If there was no other way I would say never mind

It's a matter of practice doing unto others as you would have done unto you.

I have always said that if I had an incurable disease I would pop a cap in my head.
I wouldn't step back at 100 yards and ask an archer to take me out

I have seen alot of 50/50 shoots....I was at one to day.
Top field archers that pitch arrows at 80 yards every day and all day on Sunday.
At 100 yards those guys are all over the target .... just like they are at 80

Now take a 8" target that moves and shoot at it

I don't care who you are or where you are from .... thats disrespect for the quarry and therefore unethical.

I do not subscribe to the thought that everyone has the right to choose their own ethics
If that were the truth than everyone would be ethical and the prisons would be empty

[stilllearning]

OH man sorry for opening that can of worms again folks. I didn't mean to.

I will say that some things as far as ethics is a blanet cover. Things like taking more game than you are leagly allowed to. Than is unethical in my mind for all of us.

but If you shoot out to 100 yards and are good at it and feel you can get the clean kill ............ Well for them Ethical ............ for me un practiced and never shot it .......... un ethical.

Anyway I did not mean to start a battle.

[michihunter]

I'm gonna bow out on this one as hard as it is for me to do. But not before posing one question- Who's ethics are we to follow if not our own? If it's someone elses, then they are no longer ethics but religious practices!!

[smj]

stilllearning said:

;D ;D ;D ;D
Ya gotta wonder don't you mitch? What is this no pic stuff? ;D ;D

what is this telling folks you shoot stuff from 100 yrds anyway? What animal can you not get closer than 100 yrds to? I don't want to hunt that animal with a bow. ;D ;D ;D

Why is it every single time someone talks about shooting arrows more than 30 or 40 yards we open up the ethics can? I shoot long distance all the time, I like to watch arrows fly... What can I say? I also shoot broadheads that far, too. A proper tune, a good tip, and the arrow should be well behaved all the way out. If not, get another tip! It is a lot harder to hit anything at those distances, don't mistake a lack of ability for equipment issues, but long shots are just fun! My personal favorite is tennis balls on a string at 60 yards. 100 yards is a fun shoot for skilled archers and can be expensive for learning archers (arrow loss!)! On the target range you should be concerned about safety. Period. Ethics should not come in to the conversation. To me, this is like shooting the steel deer with a 4 inch cutout. Just another skill builder that can cost a few arrows. Personally, I think everyone should shoot longer distances - it reveals things about your form that you would not otherwise find out. It will make shooting 20 yards a bore, and 40 yards will start to feel like 20 yards feels now! Don't believe me, give it an honest try...

I can not think of a single archer who would not improve their shooting and understanding of the equipment they use after a couple weeks of long distance shooting.

[bambeklr]

this is very true. I shot a pendilum sight for years. But once I watched my buddys shoot at long distance with a fixed pin sight I had to have one. I now have 5 pins that range from 30yds to 70yds. I love to shoot at 70yds now it makes my 30,40 and 50yd pins like a walk in the park.

[smj]

A pal of mine is from back east, he moved out here and being an archer I took him to the range. He also shot a pendilum sight. We shot out at the range once, the next time out he had gotten rid of the pendilum sight as well. Not that it was a bad sight, rather he'd always shot out of tree stands and the pendilum sight was gold for him! But he wanted to switch over to elk out here and realized that his sight would not work as well for him anymore. His is the same as yours now, 5 fixed pins.

You know, I shoot my longbow at long distances, too! Again, I like to watch the arrows fly... We do it as in the days of old and place a stake at 200 yards. Closest arrow wins. I can tell you that if you are shooting right or left - it really shows up a lot at 200 yards!!! Once corrected, it is gone at 20 yards, too. Or if you drop your hand at all, yup, shows up big time as well and once corrected it is gone at 20!

[BT]

O.K. ..... I said I wasn't going to do this (just this morning ) but I am going to try and state my case once and then let the chips fall where they may ..... I am not in any position to be getting into a philosophical discussion because I would end up just bringing nothing to the discussion of any worth
Case in point is that I really though I explained myself in a concise manor last night

Here it goes .....

Shooting distance is great for improving the archer but the archer cannot control a target that can move and does move at whim.
That is why I say that it is un-ethical.
The fact that such a distance risks injury and non-recovery is enough for me to say that it is against the better judgment and to do something that flies in the face of this is un-ethical.
The ethics are based on a moral code that states that we are responsible for shot placement that insures a human end to the life of our quarry.

I really don't think there is anymore that needs to be added to that

[michihunter]

Except one thing BT. The fact that the target can move is true regardless of distance. My case would be a trad bow at 30 yards. At 150fps, the deer has almost the same amount of time to move as a deer at 100yards with a bow the speed of say your BKII.

[stilllearning]

Sorry BT I had no idea this was going to happen.

[BT]

It's not going to happen.
I said my piece .... JMO .... carry on