Shooting cold....3 Shots

[BT]

Any chance of seeing a pic from everyone of 3 arrows shot into a target at first wake up?

I am looking to find the average ability of hunters out there and as everyone knows ... a picture is worth a thousand words

This is something like Spiker posted awhile back but different in as much as it shows what is likely to happen on the stand.
I realize that this is may be a pain in the butt for some but it may provide some information to work with

A majority of shots are in the AM at first light or at dusk...another transitional time.
In the AM the shooter is awake but not fully alert due to the fact that the transition between night and day normally acts as a sensitive.

In the PM the shooter is awake but anxious to beat the visibility issue.
Many times I read about people taking the shot at dusk and I think we all know just what dusk means
The posts generally mention that they didn't see the hit but know that it was good

I would like to have as many members mimic what I am thinking is the high norm.
High probability of kills in the AM and High probability of wounds at dusk.

If we could get three pictures posted here that would parallel actual conditions , this would help build a picture into what is happening out there

[yellow]First shot would be cold...no warm up
20 yards and one arrow ........ please post the first shot .... no redo's

Second shot at the same 20yrds , one arrow , sitting , (time)...when the target cannot be seen , only the silhouette of that target.
Same request for PM shots

Third shot at 20 yards after a good warm up.
This should be at least a three arrow group to show that persons average group.[/yellow]

[white]I don't want you to shoot until you cut an X an then post that pic , I am looking to see what your average is and how much (if any) it changes when you are cold or cannot see the target and are having to guess the area. The reason for this is because I need to see what kind of a shooter you are in order to know how much (if any) you are off the mark.[/white]

Please place all shots in one post so that they can be viewed together.
Simply modify your first post each time there is a shot to enter.

This may take awhile to build this threads evidence...I understand this but it may turn out to be a great reference thread in the future.


[yellow]***Please list sight and if you use a release or not[/yellow]

[BT]

[white]7:35AM Cold Shot[/white]
Browning TD recurve (sighting aid and no release)
Entered the rear of the lung,centered the opposite lung.
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[white]Afternoon 5:30 PM warm up group[/white]

The traditional (below) are in three separated pics because the arrow I am shooting is a test arrow and I have no others like it.
[yellow]***Note that I shoot back and away from major bone with traditional equipment[/yellow]







The following Pics are my hunting BK2 after warm up
(Fiber Optic Sights and release)





Below : Compound 8:30AM (when they generally come in)



Below is 9:00PM


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9:00 PM recurve

1st shot below


This was a rushed shot on my part perhaps but no excuses because when I tried two more afterwards....
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Notice that in the day light , all three shots were around one arrow hole that had pulled out and looks like an outtie belly button.
That is my point of aim method.

Notice how (in the low light) I lost my ability to focus on a spot and two shots went forward and low.

Even the shot that I made high (intentionally) was forward.

This proves (to me) that I should leave the stick in the house when going out for an evening hunt

Tomorrow I will see if the BK will do me any better

I wanted to try and

[royden]

I like it BT


Let me see if I got it straight:

-1st shot cold at daylight 20 yards from ground or stand depending on how we hunt.

-2nd shot almost cold sitting at 20 yards

-3rd shot pic taken after 20 shots or so in the AM


(3) more pics of same routine at 0'dark'30 in the PM???

I'll have to wait to do until it's day-light when I wake up - normally I leave house before shooting light ;D ;D

actually I could do it right now - but gotta get to work!!

[bambeklr]

I will have to try this in the morning early. So you want the arrows shot at first shooting light correct.

[BACKSTRAP'N]

I'll try it this evening and post the results. This brings up an interesting point, do any of you guys shoot right before you hunt? I guess it's more feasible for afternoon hunts, which I sometimes do, I usually will just draw my bow back a few times when I first get on stand and later in the hunt depending on the activity. I find this helps warm you up pretty good.

[bambeklr]

I have one of those small block targets you can carry with you. I keep it in the back of the truck. I usually shoot my bow before I go hunting if I have time. Just one arrow.
A few years ago on our september opener I was getting into my truck to leave when I saw my target and figured one shot for the road. I got out and shot clean under the target, then I was shooting all over the place. My rest had come undone. I fixed it shot some more and went hunting. I then killed a pieball 4 point that night at 15yds. I am sure glad I shot my bow. Not the biggest deer around but partly white was a trophy to me.

[BT]

royden said:

I like it BT


Let me see if I got it straight:

-1st shot cold at daylight 20 yards from ground or stand depending on how we hunt.

-2nd shot almost cold sitting at 20 yards

-3rd shot pic taken after 20 shots or so in the AM


(3) more pics of same routine at 0'dark'30 in the PM???

I'll have to wait to do until it's day-light when I wake up - normally I leave house before shooting light ;D ;D

actually I could do it right now - but gotta get to work!!

#1: One shot in the AM...standing
The reason being is that generally you are awake enough and have enough visibility to see deer coming in and therefore have enough time to stand.
Elevation doesn't matter because at 20 yards the target is not much smaller due to angle and what I am looking for is any error found due to being cold.
(that is to say .... not warmed up)

#2: shot at past dusk....sitting
The reason is that people due shoot at silhouettes (I am not saying it's o.k....I am saying that it is done)
The reason I say sitting is because a deer is going to be able to slip up on you at dark due to the lack of visibility.

#3: one group after a good warm up.
This is to just show what the archers normal groups are so that we can judge how much of an effect there was in the above two conditions.

[BT]

I am really looking forward to this.
As you all know....I am a bit of an explorer for answers to unasked questions

I am looking to compile a picture chronicle of the effects (if any) on the average persons shot placement due to conditions that are the norm in the field.

[SPIKER]

Give me until I get my press, and time those cams!! I'm in..hell, I'll do it with the Fire Flite!

Does a miss count?

And...should the last pic have three arrows in the same target, all from the different times mentioned?

[BT]

A miss counts

I wanted a group of three but I couldn't do it with the trad gear since I didn't have the arrows.

The group is just to reflect ability and therefore be used to judge the hunting shots with.

Lets say that you have a 6" group and you hit 3" high in the dusk ... thats normal
If you have a 1" average and hit 3" high then you were effected.

I am looking to find the effects of sight and cold condition on the shot.