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Post by omegabuck on Dec 23, 2009 5:31:36 GMT -5
To be honest I'm not sure what they weighed. They were ST Epic arrows ... that's all I can tell you other than they had a target point (weight unknown) and blazers. The DXT was a sweet shooting bow I'll say that, I think I can pick it up for around 750 or so. It was quieter than the Monster, and it was faster, but it was also set about 10lbs heavier on the draw. I used the same arrows on all the bows previously mentioned. They're all at the same shop. Regarding the Hoyt Maxis 31 .... the draw on that was set at 28" and it felt dead on, while all the other Mathews bows were set at 27 and felt a little long for some reason? How do you get that kind of speed out of a bow Spiker? 268?!!! That is not fast!! My Vulcan is hitting 305 at 63#, 28" dl.  The DXT should be right on par. Go shoot that Alphaburner...  When judging speed, make sure that the arrow is 5 grains per pound. Or...use the same arrow to shoot through all these different bows. |
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Post by BT on Dec 23, 2009 6:45:30 GMT -5
Shooting most bows at I.B.O. will see speeds in some relation to their listing.
While some manufacturers tweak the numbers (due to the fact that there are no oversight committees) others actually under rate their bows to provide customer satisfaction.
There are very few bows that can actually match or exceed their ratings...to be very honest.
Also...I.B.O. is based on a 70# bow at 30"...an unrealistic measure.
The most common bow out there is 60# @ 28"
Next is 65# @ 28" and then 70 @ 28"
The majority of shooters are in the 27-28" draw range
The next slot goes to 28-29"
The next group is 26-27"
Next is the 25-26
and finally...29-30"
I.B.O. speed is something that is rarely realized by the owner due to the simple fact that the vast majority do not shoot at those specs.
If you want to know if your bow is doing what it is supposed to be doing....here is a simple formula for deductions.
Subtract 1 fps for every pound below 70#
Subtract 10 fps for every 1" below 30"
Subtract 1 fps for every 5 grns. of arrow weight above the I.B.O. standard of 5 gpp.
Subtract 1 fps for every brass nock at the arrow
Subtract 4fps for each pair of string silencers
Subtract 2fps for string loop
Most people are losing 25+ fps on their hunting bows...which equates to a loss of 5 yards on the pin and 2" (@ 10yrd.) gap at the target
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Post by omegabuck on Dec 23, 2009 9:06:48 GMT -5
Wow ... I had no idea. Especially about the loop. The main reason I use one is I don't like how the arrow flies when shooting straight from the string. The things looks like an old Boss 429 on a dirt track. LOL That's not saying much mind you, I still can't put 3 arrows in a decent grouping consistantly. I can't remember if I posted this before or not, but ... with my bow I don't get any wrist slap ... but with all the bows I've shot since I started looking at others, I get slapped every time. I don't know why that would be. |
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Post by omegabuck on Dec 23, 2009 9:58:11 GMT -5
Ok, so it looks like nobody around here has an Alpha Burner. A lot of people have the Maxxis 31, but not the burner, I wonder why?
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Post by omegabuck on Dec 23, 2009 10:12:53 GMT -5
I'm also interested in trying out the Bear Attack compound bow ... nobody seems to have that one either! |
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Post by BT on Dec 23, 2009 10:45:56 GMT -5
Wow ... I had no idea. Especially about the loop. The main reason I use one is I don't like how the arrow flies when shooting straight from the string. The things looks like an old Boss 429 on a dirt track. LOL That's not saying much mind you, I still can't put 3 arrows in a decent grouping consistently. What you are describing would suggest that the bow needs to be flight tuned to the release. Many people see errors when swapping around equipment until that equipment is tuned. However...this is also an indication of drawing past the natural anchor. The release attached directly to the string will cause torque which will be transfer to the arrow on the release. Speed freaks dont use brass or loops and instead tie in the nock points, which does not effect speed. However...if the ATA of the bow is to low, there is no recourse but to use the loop. First, look to the brace height between the new bows that you are trying and the old bow that you now have. It is pretty hard to get slapped with 7" but it can happen...especially if your hand position is such that you are torquing the bow. Also...have these shops put a STS or similar string stop on the bow before you shoot it...or bring your own. |
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Post by BT on Dec 23, 2009 10:47:12 GMT -5
Ok, so it looks like nobody around here has an Alpha Burner. A lot of people have the Maxxis 31, but not the burner, I wonder why? The newest flag ship bow. Dealers have to pay for these models that hang in their shops and most companies do not refund those stock up purchases. |
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Post by SPIKER on Dec 23, 2009 15:11:35 GMT -5
BT...typo above...IBO is measured at 70# 30" dl. Everything else is right on the money. Hoyt is one of those companies that underrates their speed...a very honorable thing. I went through the same nonsense with these dealers. I wanted to buy the fastest bow made last year, and wound up ordering direct from the company...the APA King Cobra...because nobody had that, or any other speed bow that they were supposed to be a dealer for. So, I took a chance, and wound up with a real speed demon of a bow, with a great feel...man...I really did a lot of homework, and I'm glad it panned out. But, the Hoyt was bought after shooting it, which is the way all bows should be bought. You love that DXT, I can tell, and that's one heck of a bow. If you went with a 350gr arrow @ 70# w/28"dl you should get around 305 with a 325 fps IBO bow...except...it's not a Hoyt, and I really don't know how accurate Mathews are with their speeds..I've never owned one, but there are people here that do, maybe they can chime in. |
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Post by omegabuck on Dec 23, 2009 16:07:01 GMT -5
Although I did like the DXT ... I liked the Maxxis 31 too ... maybe a little more so. Not so because of the draw, or anything like that ... to me it just looked more like a true hunting bow, and when at full draw it felt like the thing was about to send some major speed to the target, which I needn't mention, it did ... I just didn't think about putting a Chrono on it. I did like the heft to it ... it felt slightly heavier which I kind of liked. I'll be shooting the Alpha Max when I get back over to that shop, the old man shot the Monster and fell in love, but that was after he fell head over heels over the DXT ease of draw (shoulder is giving him some issues) He just thought the Monster had more upside to it, which it certainly has more speed potential. There was a Vulcan ( I think that's the name) up there brand new, bare bow never been shot ... was on sale I think, but I wouldn't dare tell you a price because I have no idea what it was. LOL I forgot. Mathews vs Hoyt ... I think they're both FINE bows. You probably couldn't go wrong with either brand. That being said, I've shot all the latest and greatest from Mathews. I haven't had a chance to shoot all the good ones from Hoyt. I'll be doing that as soon as possible!  |
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Post by omegabuck on Dec 23, 2009 16:12:21 GMT -5
My current bow is 7.5" BH ...
DXT is 7.0"
Monster is 6.0"
Z7 is 7.0"
Maxxis 7.0"
They're all shorter than the one I have but not by much.
Also, it's nothing like I first started shooting ... getting a big ol' whelp on the arm. It's just enough that I could feel it.
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268?!!! That is not fast!! My Vulcan is hitting 305 at 63#, 28" dl. 
