MUST SEE !!!! For Deer Hunters

[BT]

While this is a great cut away, the fact is that the diaphragm is not intact.
The lungs are not that small unless they are no longer being used....even during an exhale.
Where the diaphragm sits in the photo @ 2/3rd. up the cavity, is where I have shot literally tens of dozen of deer and all of them ended up with their lungs cleanly hit high and left of center.
Think about how your body looks when you stand up and when you lay down on your back.
You have more of a gut when you are standing
Just something to keep in mind.This is not a perfect representation of the facts as relates to those things which have an elasticity quality

I would just argue the point to hope to keep people from crowding the front where the majority of wounds can/will occur due to heavy bone contact.

[BT]

Feb 3, 2009 6:34:08 GMT -5 tedicast said:

This view definitely shows why a little quartering away is a good thing.

Absolutely

[BT]

Feb 2, 2009 22:24:23 GMT -5 SPIKER said:

Wow.

OH!...to expound on my contention...lets ask the guy quoted above

Spiker!...are you starting to disbelieve what you saw for yourself not more than 2 months ago?.
Dude!!
Pull your kill pic up, paste it here and tell me something?...how is it that your deer only went 50 yards if that diaphragm is represented here correctly.
The fact is that it isnt....

Go ahead....go get that pick....I have to get going

[CopperHead]

I agree with BT here. The diaphram from most deer I have field dressed is pretty much even around the body. It does not come that far forward on the bottom.




Great pic though!! Thanks for posting the link!

[BT]

ENTRANCE SIDE.....ALA SPIKER

(exit was at the rear leg )

[Greg Krause]

That deer may have been hit in 1 lung but not 2. Mostly liver. I agree with the pic that woody put up. compare that pic to this shot


Here is the entrance


Here is the exit


This shows the exit and the size of the deer


These pics are the entrance and exit in the liver.

[BT]

Thats a great pic Greg.
Yes, thats definitely the back of the diaphragm but shows just how far you can go back and score a good hit.
The higher you go the better Chance that you are going to connect with the lung when shooting back that far.
I think we have all said (previously) that if you find center of the body and then center that, you'll be dead center lungs.
I generally shoot about 3-4" forward of where you hit this deer.

Your hit looks 3" back off that mark, just forward of center...yes?

[BT]

Feb 3, 2009 18:19:34 GMT -5 Greg Krause said:

That deer may have been hit in 1 lung but not 2. Mostly liver.

Correct, back of one lung and through the liver.

[ghost]

The photo is misleading because the heart is between the right and left lobes of the lung and in this photo the left lung lobe is removed. Because of connective tissue surround the heart it is almost impossible to see the right lung lobe.

The diaphram is attached to the posterior (back) sides of the plueral (chest) cavity but the center of the diaphram can move forward. It is this movement of the diaphram and the ribs that makes it possible for a live deer to breath. This deer is dead and the pressure of the liver and intestines can force the diaphram unnaturally forward.

Ghost

[royden]

I think the pic is a great tool, especially for the interest it sparks.

I concur with Ghost that the diaphram is attached to the back and sides of the chest cavity allowing the center of the diaphram to move forward and back causing the lungs to breath. The pic is showing the gut pushing the center of the diaphram in - where the diaphram connects to the backbone is probably how far back it connects to the sides also.... so the right lung is "hiding" behind the heart, connective tissues, and diaphram. The left lung (missing) would cover this side of the heart and extend a couple of inches farther back.

Another thing I notice is the "dead space" above the lungs - I have long thought there was a space there and argued with some about it.

I think the pic gives us an idea of what COULD be the lung region on a deer that has a full meal and just breathed out - much smaller than I would have suspected.

For me -I have to admit I used to adhere to the adage - aim low - I always held right behind the leg for the lower third, but I lost 2 doing that. The last two years I started holding a couple of inches back of the leg but center mass (or the equivelient when considering the quartering angle - however I find the habit hard to reprogram.