Expansion of crossboews in WI

[kurt]

Hi aweshucks

you wrote; - "Dispel the MYTH that Xbow is more like a gun then a bow, through "required" education."


Re: To the best of my knowledge, - in most, - if not all states, hunters safety ed is now "required" for "new" hunters entering into the sport of hunting. If the xbow is going to be introduced as another weapon of choice, then it needs to be part of the hunter ed program. - IF - xbow were to be given equal inclusion as a weapon of choice, in most states this would be a "new" inclusion, therefore yes, you would need a class specific to the xbow. This would be for new (first time) xbow applicants. You would probably only need the xbow specific class for the short term (4 -6 years) after which it would become part of the existing hunters ed program. Current xbow permit holders would be grand fathered in. (no need for class due to fact they have already jumped threw hoops)

You wrote; - That "myth" is known to be just that to everyone who ever shoots a crossbow.

Re: As you say, "everyone who ever shoots a crossbow" - the problem is, not everyone has shot xbow. With out an education program, I can foresee a whole lot of people jumping in based on the myth & thereby see all of the expressed fears coming true. (not a pretty site) You are not going to stop stupid negligent's, but you can certainly take steps to reduce it & required ed is the path to reduction.

You wrote; - That particular myth got started by anti xbow factions and is perpetuated to this day on places like Bowsite, Pope and Young, ect. Try educating those folks

Re: IMO the best way to educate these folk, - is to show them that we are big on education!!!

You wrote; - I don't mean to play the Devils advocate here, but I have more than enough Govt. in my life as is, so I need to see some real advantages in inviting more. You cannot legislate ethics or behavior in this country. Look only to the problems w/ drugs and illegally owned guns by criminals.

Re: AGREED, - but funny isn't it, we all want better roads, better schools, better parks, better emergency response etc. etc. but we don't want to pay for it???

Kurt

[kurt]

aweshucks
your Re: #1. Most mfgrs include that info w/ new bows

I bought my Horton Hawk SL 6 years ago, when I bought it there was no such info with it. Maybe things have changed since then.


your Re: #2 Redundant

Agreed, but we are talking about a VERY UNTRUE, - WIDE SPEAD, - myth. Redundant factual info is the only real way I know of to overcome lies with truth. More info = more education = better results.

your Re: #3 Why should I pay a different cost than a recurve or compound shooter?

Again we are talking about including xbow as an excepted weapon of choice. I don't mind paying a little extra to get the ball rolling. Right now, as it stands for me here in Washington if I want to get an xbow permit, I have to go see a Doc. = $200 - $300, - plus I have to buy vert bow of some kind = another $400 + or - along with ALL adaptive equipment available for disabled/impaired person (such as draw lock etc.) to show I can't shoot with adaptive equipment & xbow is only option = another $400 + or - So you do the math. $10 or $20 & class, - or - $1000 - $1200 to prove I qualify for xbow. --- I could not afford to go bow hunting this year. Opted to go muzzle loader instead. Better then modern rifle, but not a happy camper.


your Re: #4 Why limit to xbows?

Other weapons are already included as part of current hunters ed class's - so I am not limiting it to xbow. Rather, I am saying if xbow is going to be included as a weapon of choice, - then xbow ed needs to be included in the ed program. --- (as I talked about in previous post, - "in most states this would be a "new" inclusion, therefore yes, you would need a class specific to the xbow. This would be for new (first time) xbow applicants. You would probably only need the xbow specific class for the short term (4 -6 years) after which it would become part of the existing hunters ed program. Current xbow permit holders would be grand fathered in. (no need for class due to fact they have already jumped threw hoops)"

your Re: #5 Agreed

OK

your Re: #6 Co's are over worked and under paid already, but I could agree if there were proficiency tests for ALL.

Again we are talking about including xbow as an excepted weapon of choice. It is going to have undergo a little more scrutiny, - at least in the short term (concerning the extra documentation) that part of it could (& should) be revisited down the road. after that, violations are violations, just like with other weapons.

[BT]

I myself am in favor of separate licencing for all weapons and have been since I have been in favor of proficiency testing.
You shouldn't be able to test with a compound and then hunt with a recurve.
Of course , this is a moot point since the majority of the country doesn't have any such testing which in part leads to this very arguement.....lack of education

[awshucks]

"Again we are talking about including xbow as an excepted weapon of choice. I don't mind paying a little extra to get the ball rolling. Right now, as it stands for me here in Washington if I want to get an xbow permit, I have to go see a Doc. = $200 - $300, - plus I have to buy vert bow of some kind = another $400 + or - along with ALL adaptive equipment available for disabled/impaired person (such as draw lock etc.) to show I can't shoot with adaptive equipment & xbow is only option = another $400 + or - So you do the math. $10 or $20 & class, - or - $1000 - $1200 to prove I qualify for xbow. --- I could not afford to go bow hunting this year. Opted to go muzzle loader instead. Better then modern rifle, but not a happy camper. "

You need to get that changed. Try the AMA for an ally, they have to be insulted that their professional opinion is being ignored. Why can't you borrow a rig from a friend?

The xbow has gained expansion rapidly in the last 4-5 yrs, something like 10 new states either for full or partial inclusion. There is very little testing in place now and I don't forsee more in the future. Xbows today sell from $99 Chinese junk to $2500 [Swiss bow] w/ the average price of a hunting rig set up about $700. I for one, can't see a guy plunking down that much cabbage w/o getting real familiar w/ the bow and it's limits.

The snow ball is rolling down the hill just fine, lol. Most new xbow users are either gun hunters or previous archery hunters, w/ the exception of some slight of stature ladies and kids, the latter being closely supervised.

I don't see the same problems you do.

[2chucks2]

I see I have missed much here.

[BT]

2chucks2 said:

I see I have missed much here.

;D why yes you have