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Post by mtshooter on Feb 17, 2008 10:29:03 GMT -5
You're right on the money Royden.
The wolves are fine as long as they are controlled, MT and I believe ID have seasons set as soon as they are de-listed. As long as the de-listing is not appealed.
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Post by CopperHead on Feb 17, 2008 10:53:00 GMT -5
First of all I would like to say that I love and respect the wolf just as I do all animals. But just as Royden and SMJ pointed out the habit just does not exist to support such an aggressive pack hunter in the US. Just as we all know the wolf unlike a bear or our native lion is a pack hunter. It only takes one to initiate and then its on. What scares me the most is that left unchecked its only matter of time before a human falls prey to a pack. Then not only would the wolf be on the hit list but large predators like the bear and lion would be too. Its almost like a vicious cycle. This is all speculation and opinion of course but it seems to be how it plays out.
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Post by kurt on Feb 17, 2008 12:03:40 GMT -5
Interesting. I just watched a program on PBS a couple of days ago concerning a simular problem in Origon only it is the mountain lion killing off large numbers of elk. They are not killing the adults, but are killing HUDGE numbers of calves as a result of greater numbers of mountain lions. And why is there getting to be greater numbers of mountain lions. Because they have stopped the hunting of lions with dogs. (the only real effective why to hunt lions) We are facing the same thing here in Washington. This last year, when doing my preseason scoutting I ran across 3 lion/deer kills in a square mile. I know they were lion kills because the carcases were not tore apart like you would see done by wolves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2008 13:47:43 GMT -5
 Most were not even partially eaten...Killing just to kill.Just goes to show what happens when human emotion is allowed to take pecedence over science in wildlife management. Wait till they run out of deer and elk, and really start to ravage livestock,or peoples pets, or worse yet people. I had hoped that the rising amount of Mountain Lion attacks in California on PEOPLE,after the ban on hunting them, would have taught the govenment agencys across the nation, that REAL Wildlife biologists are the people who should make the rules and decicions, and not the fruit and nuts crowd.I guess not. This is truly sad, but WE are the ones who allow these things to happen, too often Sportsmen/women don't voice their opinions,and take up the fight until it's too late.  That's all I got to say for now,at risk of really getting pissed. Ster
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Post by smj on Feb 18, 2008 14:17:49 GMT -5
If the wolf populations could be well controlled, it probably wouldn't be such a bad thing having a few wolves out there. However, these animals can not be controlled at all. Yes, they will take care of the excess big game populations and help stop some of the resulting damage in our national parks. But this is not where it will end. The wolf is spreading out all over the place these days. Also, back in the day when the wolf was here naturally, there were several different types of wolf. According to Theodore Roosevelt the northern timber wolf was bigger than the average wolf found elsewhere. The farther south you went, the smaller the wolf was found. He lists a big grey wolf as weighing in at 97 pounds. So they have introduced an animal that was never indigenous, is ~1/3 larger, to areas that do not even resemble what they were back in the day. I see this as a terrible mistake. One that could be very hard to recover from.
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Post by nodog on Feb 18, 2008 19:51:55 GMT -5
Just goes to show what happens when human emotion is allowed to take pecedence over science in wildlife management. The direct result of women in politics. I'm not saying men are great and most men these days are half woman, ruled by emotion, what I am saying is there's plenty of evidence that when women control a gorvenmental body, emotion is what decides a law. Freedom should decide a law not emotion. Emotion gives away the very freedom that protects us all. A man can take a bitter pill because he knows it's best, a woman would rather spare us the suffering. God bless'm. One of the reasons I don't understand the love of wolves. I'm also not saying this about any particular woman or party, just women. |
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Post by bow wench on Feb 19, 2008 18:44:48 GMT -5
Just goes to show what happens when human emotion is allowed to take pecedence over science in wildlife management. The direct result of women in politics. I'm not saying men are great and most men these days are half woman, ruled by emotion, what I am saying is there's plenty of evidence that when women control a gorvenmental body, emotion is what decides a law. Freedom should decide a law not emotion. Emotion gives away the very freedom that protects us all. A man can take a bitter pill because he knows it's best, a woman would rather spare us the suffering. God bless'm. One of the reasons I don't understand the love of wolves. I'm also not saying this about any particular woman or party, just women.  What cave did you crawl out of? |
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Post by nodog on Feb 19, 2008 18:59:40 GMT -5
The direct result of women in politics. I'm not saying men are great and most men these days are half woman, ruled by emotion, what I am saying is there's plenty of evidence that when women control a gorvenmental body, emotion is what decides a law. Freedom should decide a law not emotion. Emotion gives away the very freedom that protects us all. A man can take a bitter pill because he knows it's best, a woman would rather spare us the suffering. God bless'm. One of the reasons I don't understand the love of wolves. I'm also not saying this about any particular woman or party, just women. What cave did you crawl out of? It's a circle. The first quote, my response and then yours. So you think things are going along just fine? There are five states with the most women in their legislature, what direction are they taking their state in? Mass. is one of them. |
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Post by bow wench on Feb 19, 2008 19:09:07 GMT -5
Only 16 of the US Senators are women. Women comprise less than 20 percent of the legislative bodies in this country. Do I like what's going on? NO. But don't be blaming it on women.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2008 19:13:03 GMT -5
Thats not what I was getting at nodog, you opened a can o'worms for yourself  . Pesonally I think all PEOPLE are driven by their emotions, Some handle it better then others, Male or Female....Honestly I think the problem lies with a few emotional people who have the money and drive to make a change.Lining the Pockets of the correct (greedy)politicans will get you alot of things in this country,which IMO is where these sorts of problems develope. Meanwhile the rest of us sit on our duffs whining about it, instead of taking action.Personally I'm sick of my voice not being heard on these matters and am in the process of finding ways to make it heard more clearly....BUT I have little money, and in this arena money talks the most.A SAD FACT. Thats all I gotta say for now, Ster |
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Most were not even partially eaten...Killing just to kill.Just goes to show what happens when human emotion is allowed to take pecedence over science in wildlife management.
What cave did you crawl out of? 
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