Hi, my name is Jennifer....

[Doegirl]

mtshooter said:

I'll leave the flat flight to BT

Tell me a little more about your bow. If I remember one of your threads you are shooting an Equalizer right?

Yeah-'07 Equalizer. 50lbs max draw (cranked it down to 45lb for the late season), 25" drawlength. Fletcher peep, STS, kisser, shoot off the string. Ripcord rest. S-Coil stabilizer and a Truglo sight with an annoying glow in the dark ring. Think that sums it up.

[mtshooter]

;D

I shoot an 07 Equalizer too 24 1/2" draw, 53 lbs, ripcord rest, Montana Blackgold Flashpoint sight. No kisser and I use a release. So we are pretty close to the same specs.

My arrows are Carbon Tech Whitetails and Tight Point Broadheads...315 g. 2" Blazer vains and no helical.

Have you tried shooting with a release?

[Doegirl]

O.K. took me a little bit but I think I grasp the concept of flat flight.
1. There's a little 2" high box on my target.
2. With my 20yd pin I aim dead center. I start really close-like 5yds. I move back until I hit the very top of that box. In my case that's about 17yds. That's the top of my "window of opportunity"
3. Then I continue back until I only touch the very bottom of the box. That yardage will be the bottom of my window. 22yds.
(How do I know, I spent a couple days shooting at every yardage and measured distance from the arrow to the bull. Now, I'm glad I did).
4. My window, with the 20yd pin, is 5 yards. That sucks

LIGHTBULB MOMENT!!!-It just occured to me that most my misses are at 15 yds and under and close to 25yds. They are at of my flat flight window. Did I just learn something? ;D

[Doegirl]

mtshooter said:

;D

I shoot an 07 Equalizer too 24 1/2" draw, 53 lbs, ripcord rest, Montana Blackgold Flashpoint sight. No kisser and I use a release. So we are pretty close to the same specs.

My arrows are Carbon Tech Whitetails and Tight Point Broadheads...315 g. 2" Blazer vains and no helical.

Have you tried shooting with a release?

I forgot the darn release! Scott Itty-bitty Goose. How those CT arrows shoot for you?

[mtshooter]

I love my CT When I first started shooting I was using the Gold tip 3555's. I won the CT (and several other things) in an essay contest. I had to use the CT for the show and never went back to my GT. In fact I gave my GT to a little 10 year old girl so she would have a dozen that all matched.

I have found with a little lighter arrow, I still have great flight, more speed and great penetration. My state requires a min. arrow weight of 300g so I am still legal

[BT]

trilby69 said:

How does one go about finding the flat flight? I would assume get some lighter arrows first, then figure it out. With 300grain goldtips, I'm about 1.5" high @ about 13-15 yds with my 20yd pin.

Your flat flight it 18.5 yards with those arrows
That being said ..... I think you could get more
But....that doesn't matter because you are already set up for one pin out to 21.5 yards while staying inside of that 3" margin of acceptable error

I have built alot of rigs at your spec and generally I am ending up with 23 - 25 yards of flat flight.
I generally shoot for 6.3GPI on the arrow with a 85gr grain head , 2.5" feathers on a 2 degree offset with a 25" total length.
That's an arrow at darn near IBO standards.
Combine that with the Stinger 85gr. single blade and you've got a very flat flying deadly arrow with a truly effective penetration range of 25 yards.

My own son shot this set up for two full years and killed everything that stopped long enough to get shot
If I still have the shafts I would be very happy to send you some.
You'll have to re-tune a bit but I think you'll be amazed at the difference

[Greg Krause]

Ok, let me start off with a little backround.
I have been shooting a bow for as long as i could walk. I have always been a pretty good shot. I took countless chipmunks and squirels as a kid and rarely missed. At age 14 I started deer hunting............and SUCKED
I could not hit a deer for the life of me. i would literaly have deer broadside inside of 20yds time and time again and wouldn't so much as shave a hair. It was very frustrating, to say the least.
At the time I had no idea why. I would fall to peices, actually shaking so hard that I could hardly stand. Even if I calmed a bit i would still miss. Looking back I now have an idea of why I missed.
I would draw back and just aim "at the deer"
I would punch the trigger
I would "hope" I would finally get this deer

It finally happened one day. I killed a deer.........man it was SO easy. Heck I killed another one 3 days later! It was starting to come together for me.

I now aimed for the "crease"
I would shoot like I did on the range
I would "know" I would slam this deer

You have to forget about past misses and almost get "cocky". You have to know that when you release you will kill. It was still a long road of misses as well as hits, but I was headed in the right direction.
I spent more and more time small gaming and shooting at unknown ranges. I basicly slept with my bow. I could shoot without even thinking about it. it was like my bow was apart of me. It came to where when i was deer hunting I "couldn't" miss.........of course sometimes I did, but don't let yourself think that way.

Now i had the shooting deer down. The problem was if i saw a deer coming in from too far off i would start to fall apart. I ws tring to anticipate getting or not getting a shot and my nerves were smoked. I came to realize, I would either get the shot or not and nothing i did would change that. I juet told myself if it happened I would make the shot and if it didn't I would get another chance before long. that really helped me stay calm.
thoughout all of this I learned when and how to move without spooking deer......nothing can teach you that but getting busted......over and over.
Over time i started laying down more and more deer and it all just came togther that much more. Practice and experience. It can't be substituted
The end result is the Hammer dropping whackmaster I am today.

IMO. as long as your equipment is tuned it is just fine how it is. the problem is not in the gear, it is in your head. Get confident, get cocky, get mad........whatever it takes. Know all the practice you have put in is training and shooting a deer is no different than what your training. Have supreme confidence that you and you rig will get the job done, no question about it.
Do that and you will be a Hammer dropping whack master too!

[Doegirl]

skipmaster1 said:

Do that and you will be a Hammer dropping whack master too!

I like that

[Greg Krause]

trilby69 said:

skipmaster1 said:

Do that and you will be a Hammer dropping whack master too!

I like that

I'm not kidding. The best advice I have is to just "know' you'll make the shot........complete confidence.

It's a heck of a lot easier said than done, but that is the ticket

[Doegirl]

skipmaster1 said:

I'm not kidding.

And neither was I. It's assertive, almost cock-sure, and certainly to the point. Too many times I've got "O.K., don't blow it" going through my head. We all know, with negative statements like that, the mind interprets everything but the negative word. So, in essence I'm telling myself, "O.K. blow it". And as sure as the sunrise it would happen.

So now starts my transformation from a little-time scaredy cat wanna be to a HAMMER DROPPING WHACKMASTER