A new peepless sight

[Greg Krause]

the hollo pino sight

www.vitalbowgear.com/angular.cfm

[Greg Krause]

The owner of the local shop shoots one. Right now he uses the "scope" only with no pin and still uses his peep. He likes that a lot for hunting type shooting. The one with the pin looks nice and with it you can eliminate your peep site. I don't think he has used that one yet. I like the idea behind it.

[BT]

Don't know but I am always Leary of anything that works from the forward portion of the riser.

Hand torque could correct a bad anchor and you would miss worse.

[BT]

I got the hind sight awhile back and it is the same idea right?....not for me although the no peep eliminates any possible hand torque since it cannot be manipulated in that fashion.

Am I missing something with this new offering Michi. ?

[michihunter]

Not sure if you're missing something BT. I personaly have no experience with either. But guess what? I disagree about the torque comment and the no peep. Bet you ain't surprised huh?

Torque usually is a prob after release when the no peep is no longer involved.

[BT]

Uhhh....but any torque at all on the riser will throw the no-peep off.

You cannot hold the bow in any other manner than the one to which it is set up too.

For instance....if you shoot open handed and set the no peep for that grip (so to speak) you will not get it to work for you with a slight grip as it will cause the aperture to go out of view.

I suppose you could do it but you would know right away that something was amiss

I shoot my grizzly with a low wrist and if I go to a high wrist I cannot even see the dot although I know I am near to a good line.

It is a real attention getting and a perfect training tool for going peep less I believe.

[michihunter]

Agreed on most counts. But torque rarely occurs pre-shot which is when the no peep is being employed. A closed grip can still be used with the no peep but after the shot is when the torque will take place.

[BT]

Agreed and that is why closed hand grip is more apt to cause shooting errors hence my dislike for the use of it in any regard.

Vonotto and I were discussing this last week, as to why a palmed position (low wrist) is less stable than dorsal web ( high wrist ) in terms of transfer of the bows reaction as well as the arms position being able to translate into distortion which carries into negatives in relation to shooter error.

Of course the high wrist is harder to maintain in terms of stability over long periods of shooting which translates into less practice time as opposed to the low wrist.

But....the low wrist will transfer more error into the shaft of an arrow which when equipped with a broadhead can be cause for erratic flight at times.

Thus the high wrist is the more forgiving style although the draw backs are more frequent trips to the target butt due to less time at the target.

Another draw back is that the high wrist that absorbs the shock of the bow back into the arm can and generally will cause many ailments down the road after prolonged use.

Some of these are nerve & cartilage damage within the wrist and elbow nerve damage.

Rotator injury's can resurface by employing this technique as well.

I have pretty much have suffered all and still suffer some of these conditions at this time and have had to go back to low wrist for the time being while shooting 3-D this summer.

Just before deer season I will revert back to the high wrist.

[smj]

Wow. After reading this, makes me think I should review my form... I used to shoot without the peep and thought about mounting a small pipe rather than a pin at the sight end. Kind of the same idea as this sight, yet, with some depth, or length, to the pipe you could just line up the pipe until you can not see the sides to cancel torque, and also confirm your anchor point. I never got around to trying it, now I am old enough that my eyes probably wouldn't focus well enough for that! Also, on shooting without the peep, I used to put a wrap on the string, very small, and then align the wrap with the sight pin, always with the sight pin on the outside edge of the string. Worked well. Seems like a marker on the string would work well for this sight, too, if your eyes will still do that type of stuff. Without it, seems like you would have to have really good form - nothing there to keep you honest with your anchor point! With my current rig, I know that if I line up the round peep with the round sight the same every time, I am ready to shoot!

[BT]

That is pretty much it for me as well....just a way to confirm that I am doing what I am supposed to be doing.