|
|
Post by BT on May 24, 2013 18:38:19 GMT -5
I have been getting a lot of new DVD's lately and a few have Barry Wensel in them.... who I really like  Barry is always getting cornered by someone who is trying to get him to talk about target panic and he just hates that! ;D He made a really good point each time he was talking about the subject (which he wont discuss) which was, talking about it brings it on. I have heard him speak to this idea of getting something that you never had due to the fact that you are subjecting yourself to the idea. He wont talk about it and doesn't want to hear about it because he doesn't know anything about it and wants to keep it that way. His belief is that you learn bad habits but you cant learn about something unless you start paying attention to it. Well he was right!. I got this series of DVD's that spoke to the art of traditional shooting for Doegirl. At first they seemed really good and for the most part they were.... However.... They spent so much time talking about target panic that I started to think about it. The more I thought about it the more I started doing things that related to target panic.  There is one form of target panic that I wasn't even aware of and guess what?.... I started to develop it after watching these guys hammer on the subject. DONT LISTEN!! ;D Even Doegirl started to shoot worse after watching these DVD's  She finally listened to me and just dropped the idea's that they were pushing such as follow through. Follow through works great but if it isn't a natural thing that you can do then you end up getting target panic from doing something that isn't natural. You have to think about it and when you start thinking you start over thinking is what I see happening  Just an observation of mine. Please feel free to add your thoughts. |
|
|
|
Post by ccwilder3 on May 24, 2013 22:34:01 GMT -5
I could write tomes on target panic. It is a horrible affliction.
I pretty much agree with you about not talking about it. It only seems to make it worse.
|
|
smj
Forum Guide
Traditional Council
Posts: 1,819
|
Post by smj on May 25, 2013 7:41:10 GMT -5
Hmmmmm... You should talk to Tom. He's a pal of mine who tried out for the Olympic archery team. Best archer I have known to date. Here is a link for his business: www.highaltitudearchery.com/Tom is the one dressed in archery stuff with a red ponytail... He learned from Byron Ferguson first, and then followed the path to Olympic style shooting. This brings us to trying to correct those form points that Tom didn't have perfect for Olympic style shooting, or so his coach told him, and the things he had to do to unlearn the old and lean the new! I am not going to tell someone else's story here, but WOW is it hard to unlearn and change your form to something new! My observation, and to hint at Tom's story, is that it takes lots of repetitions, which starts with lots of thinking about it, and talking about it, and LOTS more repetitions! Imagine as many reps as you can, then double or tipple - or more - that amount. And note that while you are getting there, everything just sucks about your shooting! Then one day, when all the parts of your brain get on the same page, magic may happen... ! Let me just add one other thing, just because it "feels natural" does not make it good form. Ignoring it won't fix it. |
|
Greg Krause
Moderator
PRO STAFF 1
AKA- Skipmaster1
Posts: 3,990
|
Post by Greg Krause on May 25, 2013 8:55:46 GMT -5
I was told by Rod Jenkins that the real solution to target panic is to break the shot into steps and master each step. That way when there is a problem, you know right away what it was and what you need to work on. It just turns out that is also what it takes to be a world class shooter. He has you work only on blank bales for a minimum of 21 days, shooting a minimum of 60 shots a day. Working on each of the 6 aspects of the shot for 10 shots. In that time, if you try to transition to shooting a target, your shooting will suffer horribly. If you try and use his style a little bit, it will hurt your shooting. It's an all or nothing deal
|
|
|
|
Post by BT on May 25, 2013 16:40:05 GMT -5
I agree 100% with this take on it and this is also what SMJ was pointing out. I am like Barry Wensel who shoots well and doesn't want to mess with that. I have placed high in state shoots in the past and that tells me that I am doing alright Now with Doegirl, I said to try everything, find what feels good and then stick with that and learn it. Well she did and she also feels more comfortable with some of the things I do as opposed to the target shooters. She has gone to a tab and I see that she is better with that. (I hate those things) The problem with much of the target shooters methods is that they are not great hunting methods. Target archery and Bowhunting (to me) don't share a lot of commonality as to release for sure and anchor many times. I haven't seen a bowhunter who doesn't use a static release (which I also use) or anchor behind their jaw as do many target archers. I am not saying bowhunters have it all figured out but I am saying that I believe we know better how to shoot our own course if you will. When attempting to use target methods in the field or tree, I believe it hinders ones ability and when attempting to build that into a learned method, it causes target panic when you know too much about target panic. I could have done without all the panic talk I was told by Rod Jenkins that the real solution to target panic is to break the shot into steps and master each step. That way when there is a problem, you know right away what it was and what you need to work on. It just turns out that is also what it takes to be a world class shooter. He has you work only on blank bales for a minimum of 21 days, shooting a minimum of 60 shots a day. Working on each of the 6 aspects of the shot for 10 shots. In that time, if you try to transition to shooting a target, your shooting will suffer horribly. If you try and use his style a little bit, it will hurt your shooting. It's an all or nothing deal |
|
|
|
Post by BT on May 25, 2013 18:29:09 GMT -5
I was out doing the last tuning on the bows before starting the first test for this year and I was thinking about what I had said above. Rather than modifying what I wrote (because I believe what I said) I will elaborate. When I said that target shooting methods dont work well for hunting this is what I see... Most of these methods focus on flat footed shooting and/or perfect physical form. This is something that is impossible many times while hunting. Bending from the waist when you are on one knee, scrunched up and bent under a tree limb while holding your bow near horizontal to make a shot doesn't make room for anything that is method of practice with target shooting. This one position comes to mind because this is where I was a half dozen years ago when I came upon a deer while walking to my stand. About the only thing I could have done target related to make that shot would have been the anchor. I couldn't have even pulled through the shot in that position and if I had trained myself to shoot in perfect form I never would have taken that shot. I guess this is getting away from what I was talking about in the opening which was Target Panic ;D Back to that... What caused my temporary target panic was thinking about target panic and types of target panic which them caused me to start relating and finding things that were not there before. |
|
smj
Forum Guide
Traditional Council
Posts: 1,819
|
Post by smj on May 25, 2013 21:42:25 GMT -5
At the end of the shot, and the arrow hits the mark, target or hunting that person did everything right for the shot they took... Just saying...
You know, the art in hunting is just what you are saying - being able to repeat time and again everything needed to make the shot. And do it when just about everything is different around you every shot: ground, trees, slope, brush, rocks, branches, don't spook the animal, and the list goes on! Being able to adapt, and still hit the mark, that's high art. That's more than target shooting. Not saying that there is no stress in target shooting at all, or that there is not art in target shooting either... But there are a lot of things that you don't have to adjust for from shot to shot on a nice, flat, quiet, target course where the targets are known distances and don't move...
|
|
|
|
Post by BT on May 25, 2013 23:31:15 GMT -5
I agree with that SMJ and while I wont say that a great hunter is better than a great target shooter, I will say that the simpler the process is that maintains perfection (of hitting the mark) whatever the situation, the better. FITA archers are probably the closest target archers when comparing ability in a hunting situation but having shot FITA rounds 30 years ago, I wouldn't say that I could do then what I do now while maintaining the controlled shooting style that I learned at that time. In fact, I gave it up because it wasn't challenging enough for me to have fun with. That's when I got into 3D which was harder back in the 80's then it is now-a-days... where courses have you shooting down mowed pathways. I guess thats why I have found myself moving (again) toward traditional shoots where targets are generally set up in real hunting situations. I love having to get on a knee or stretch to get around a tree in between myself and the target. I love the challenge and it's getting harder and harder to find it anymore outside of the woods.  |
|
|
|
Post by rattlesnake on Jun 24, 2013 23:43:48 GMT -5
We refer to it as "he who's name we never speak"! |
|
|
|
Post by BT on Jun 25, 2013 16:19:15 GMT -5
We refer to it as "he who's name we never speak"! ;D |
|
