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Post by BT on Apr 30, 2013 8:36:42 GMT -5
Wondering how many still use these shafts. I am using them with my stick bows. While I crave speed and therefore use carbons with my compounds.... I am considering aluminum each year as carbon prices continue to increase.  Right no aluminum is less than half the price of equal quality carbon shafts but (for me) the weight is around 3-4 gpi added for aluminum. That translates into alot of lost trajectory when I am looking at nearly 100grains added.  Well anyway... Just wondering who (if any) are using them and why. |
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Post by Greg Krause on Apr 30, 2013 9:58:06 GMT -5
I don't use them. I'm not really a huge fan of them. Don't get me wrong, they work fine but they just aren't for me right now. With the amount of rocks around here I just destroy them. They have a more metallic sound than carbon when shooting them as well. It's true carbons are more expensive but I almost never have to buy arrows. I've been shooting the same dozen CX Maxima Hunters for 3 years with my compound and still have 9 left I think. For my stick bows I shoot Beeman MFX classics and foot the front with an aluminum arrow. I can litteraly shoot them directly into a rock wall and the worst that happens is I blow the nock out. I will almost always lose one before I can break one.
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Post by smj on Apr 30, 2013 20:41:33 GMT -5
I find that while alum arrows might be half the cost - they don't last nearly as long. Hence, over time, I find the long life of the carbon makes it a better investment. If you just shot bales, I supposed they would last longer... But I tend to head up into the mountains and shoot everything from tufts of grass to logs - and the alum arrows just don't hold up.
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Post by BT on May 1, 2013 10:55:03 GMT -5
I find that while alum arrows might be half the cost - they don't last nearly as long. Hence, over time, I find the long life of the carbon makes it a better investment. If you just shot bales, I supposed they would last longer... But I tend to head up into the mountains and shoot everything from tufts of grass to logs - and the alum arrows just don't hold up. I will say that I dont use aluminum with the compounds because of damage but I haven't had a bend with the stick bows in so long I couldn't tell you when it happened last.... years for sure. I think the XX75 resists those bends I used to get way back before the XX75 existed. My carbons almost always break when I shoot a deer... either from the impact of hitting something behind the deer on the exit. When I don't break them I end up losing them because many times they bury in the earth after exiting. Thank goodness I don't shoot heavy arrows... I might hurt someone in china the way those are claimed to out penetrate my lighter shafts!.  |
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Post by smj on May 1, 2013 13:58:43 GMT -5
I find that while alum arrows might be half the cost - they don't last nearly as long. Hence, over time, I find the long life of the carbon makes it a better investment. If you just shot bales, I supposed they would last longer... But I tend to head up into the mountains and shoot everything from tufts of grass to logs - and the alum arrows just don't hold up. I will say that I dont use aluminum with the compounds because of damage but I haven't had a bend with the stick bows in so long I couldn't tell you when it happened last.... My carbons almost always break when I shoot a deer... Wow! You and I have some very different experiences... Shooting my longbow I see damage all the time with alum arrows. Any time I hit a rock, or post, that's an arrow gone. They don't bend for no reason, put them in bales and I have no issues with alum arrows. But out in the hills - maybe I''ve just had bad luck? ! I have never lost a carbon arrow on a kill. Except for the arrow that went half way across the George River up in Canada... Didn't get that one back, but it was a kill... But when I shot alum arrows, just about every shot took an arrow. If the arrow sticks out, the animal would roll on it, or bend it on trees while running past them, or it'd pass through and hit a rock and split up at the insert. One of my pigs from this last hunt cost me a tip - hit a steel post once through the hog - but the arrow is still cherry! |
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Post by Greg Krause on May 1, 2013 14:21:18 GMT -5
Smj pretty much summed up my experiences with carbon and aluminum.
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Post by BT on May 1, 2013 15:35:53 GMT -5
SMJ said it for me... 20 years ago but not today. I don't know guys... It is what it is and I am glad it is what it is! I liked cedar arrows for the trad bows but I lost a arrow every kill I made. The good cedars (finished) cost more than the aluminum's and that's why I kept using them. Good question to ask is why am I having more luck with them?. Is it the head weight?, The shorter length?. I dont know but it's a good question to lament while we are so far away from opening day |
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Post by BT on May 13, 2013 18:21:27 GMT -5
I have been playing around with the aluminum's for the last couple of months and because I have so many sizes of shafts and bows to try these shafts with, I started cataloging what shafts tune best with what bow weights (recurves) along with head weights and shaft lengths.
Most recently, here were my findings for two different bows in our home....
What I have found is that the easton chart is solidly 10# off from 35 - 75# when talking about shafts that are 28" or less. An example of this is the current 2018 XX75 cut to 27" with a 100grn. head that I am shooting @ 27" out of a 66# Recurve. This shaft tunes bare and fletched perfectly.
The easton chart says that I am very light but in reality, I am not according to my tune. I used the arrows listed by easton for the same bow and I was at nearly 250grains of head weight before they even came close to being tuned from the same bow. Same for Doegirls 33# recurve. The arrows for her bow (chosen by the easton chart) ended up flying perfectly with 300 grain heads and far from perfect with the 75grain heads that they called for with the same arrows.
Just my experience. Eastons chart is minus 10# on the chart for true shaft selection. I had always heard that they set their charts stiff but 10#!?!. Thats nuts!
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Post by smj on May 13, 2013 21:47:45 GMT -5
Never went out to test this, but it always seemed to me that with trad gear, your "release" might have a fair amount to do with shaft spine variations from bow to bow and shooter to shooter... And from recomendation chart to reality for any given archer and their setup.
Think about it a bit...
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Post by BT on May 14, 2013 2:51:16 GMT -5
I absolutely thought about that. None the less... I feel that my release is at least average to good as a glove shooter and poor to fair as a tab shooter. This is kinda what I am saying. You cant follow the traditional side as gospel. Now with all of that said... A finger shooter requires more spine than a relase shooter (traditional) and even more than a release shooter mechanical. So for me to be off to the negative 10# is a whopping change!.  |
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