Practice tips for better performance

[vonottoexperience]

admin said:

scottyluck said:

BT,

I don't understand how picking a spot is only relevant in a tournament or when scoring for points.
You say shooting at the scoring rings when they are not in the correct killing spot becomes ingrained in your memory.

Picking a spot is all fine and well but if you cant see the spot then you have to memorize it's location and thats how you get that info. ingrained.
Deer targets are the most popular target on any 3-D range so there is more than enough exposure on one target to develop a mindset towards that target animal in the subconscious.

Most people do not carry bino's on a 3-D course and if they do not then they are limited to memorization.
This is what I am saying and in general , most people do understand what I am referring to.
I understand what you are saying totally and I agree with you in some part but the way you go to a shoot is not the way the majority go to a shoot.

It used to be that bino's were against the rules if you were scoring the round for points and then that changed as did the rules pertaining to range finders.
Neither of these tools are helping to perfect field skills which by definition dont involve anything more than skill.
This is what 3-D was originally intended to provide and this was my point.
3-D does not provide good practice many times due to course layout or target kill location.

Synapse's: "I'm to cheap to buy a good pair of bino's" ;D

[Greg Krause]

I think 3D is almost exactly "hunting practice". You are taking shots at "game animals" at ranges, in terrain and locations you would be hunting them. There is no difference between an animal and the target. You HAVE to be able to make the shot. The only difference I see at all, is we are able to practice out range estimation on the 3D course. Most hunters wouldn't be shooting 40-55yds on a guess, they'd use their range finders.
I see how BT can think that 3D can screw you into subconciously aiming at the wrong point. right now I am in an indoor hunter league. I am still in hunting mode so I have to stop myself and make sure I aim at the spot I should. I am programed to swing up the front leg of the animal and tough off as soon and my pin is 1/3 up the body just in front of the crease. If I don't stop myslef and really take aim where I want to hit, my arrow is gone in less than 3 seconds from draw to release.
I could see how 3D could condition you the other way. even on targets that are positioned correctly reguarding the shooting angle and the vital markings, most of the vitals are way high and back.
On the flip note. I know when I am done wioth my 20 weeks of indoor hunter, i will shoot a lot better than when I started because I take my time aiming and picking a spot. I don't even think of the targets as animals. I simply pick out the nickle sized 12 ring and focus on that. If you treated the 3D course the same way, it could be a huge benifit. but you'd have to only focus on the ring, not the animal for score.
I prefer to try and score well,while kepping all my shots killing.
I do love practiceing and shooting with friends,but the bottom line for me is I am trying to become a more effecient predator. It is all practice with a purpose.

[hopesman]

skipmaster1 said:

I do love practiceing and shooting with friends,but the bottom line for me is I am trying to become a more effecient predator. It is all practice with a purpose.

I'm glad that you said efficient and not effective. I don't think that the deer population could have taken the latter

[vonottoexperience]

tedicast said:

Here is my take on 3d. To me...3D is NOT hunting practice. It is archery practice. Nothing simulates hunting situations, except hunting situations. To me I'm in 2 completely different mindsets when shooting 3d, compared to hunting.

Not me, I hunt that foam. If the course is set up right, I really put myself into the game Case in point, I was lucky enough to score on a P&Y Whitetail while hunting Ill. When it came to crunch time, and that buck was standing there @ 30yds. he looked just like the 3D target I'd been nailing all yr.

[BT]

Synapse's: "I'm to cheap to buy a good pair of bino's" ;D

;D ;D ;D

[BT]

vonottoexperience said:

tedicast said:

Here is my take on 3d. To me...3D is NOT hunting practice. It is archery practice. Nothing simulates hunting situations, except hunting situations. To me I'm in 2 completely different mindsets when shooting 3d, compared to hunting.

Not me, I hunt that foam. If the course is set up right, I really put myself into the game Case in point, I was lucky enough to score on a P&Y Whitetail while hunting Ill. When it came to crunch time, and that buck was standing there @ 30yds. he looked just like the 3D target I'd been nailing all yr.

That's the way it's supposed to work and your courses are so good I wouldn't have an issue to talk about were they all set up the same ..... as I remember

[tedicast]

When I say that nothing simulates a hunting situation, these are some of the things I mean. For one, a 3D target, is not gonna move. Also...your heart isn't beating in your throat, and you're not fighting "the fever". You haven't been sitting 25 feet up in a tree, on a 18"x18" platform for the past 3 hours, and sitting still as can be for the last 15 waiting for the deer to offer a shot. None of these things cam be replicated on a 3D course. Thats why I say 3D is more archery practice, then hunting practice.

[vonottoexperience]

tedicast said:

When I say that nothing simulates a hunting situation, these are some of the things I mean. For one, a 3D target, is not gonna move. Also...your heart isn't beating in your throat, and you're not fighting "the fever". You haven't been sitting 25 feet up in a tree, on a 18"x18" platform for the past 3 hours, and sitting still as can be for the last 15 waiting for the deer to offer a shot. None of these things cam be replicated on a 3D course. Thats why I say 3D is more archery practice, then hunting practice.

Actually I'm working on this for this yrs 3D shoots..there will be instructions @ each station to do 50 push ups before the shot, or stand on one leg for 3 min with the bow drawn before you shoot, or running from station to station {up hill} ;D ;D

[royden]

Bt - you gonna do his course once a week?

[BT]

Once a week? .... I'd like too but I haven't heard anything about that.