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Post by BT on Jan 7, 2008 20:46:19 GMT -5
It does contradict....absolutely
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Post by kurt on Jan 8, 2008 7:38:22 GMT -5
Argument: Crossbow hunting will wipe out the deer heard.
Fact: If modern rifle hasn't wiped out our deer herds, nothing is going to. Secondly, allowing crossbow most likely is not going to add more hunters to the over all number of hunters. People are not all of a sudden going to decide to become hunters because crossbow is made legal. It best, it will draw "some" modern rifle hunters, who don't care for the over crowding of modern rifle, to shift over & give archery hunting a try, but it's not going to increase the over all number of hunters that go afield. Not in a way that is going to upset the balance to threaten herd populations.
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Post by kurt on Jan 9, 2008 6:48:15 GMT -5
Argument: A crossbow is much more efficient then a vertical bow.
Fact: A modern 150# draw weight compound crossbow delivers the same speed & stored energy as a 65 - 70 # compound vertical bow. The crossbow requires twice the amount of draw weight because the power stoke (draw length) is half as long as that of the compound bow.
If by more efficient, they mean better shot placement at "short" ranges they "might" have a point, but it is a mute point, because again, better shot placement means I can make a more ethical shot
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Post by awshucks on Jan 9, 2008 9:59:41 GMT -5
"much more efficient" Translation: unfair advantage. See harvest stats, not true and proven so.
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Post by BT on Jan 9, 2008 10:44:19 GMT -5
When comparing the ability to hit a mark comparative to ability with the compound , that simply not ture...untill you get to the novice. That I would agree with but only if we are talking about bench shooting. Free hand....I would still pit the compound against the crossbow
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Post by kurt on Jan 9, 2008 18:45:35 GMT -5
BT you are right, when shooting xbow free hand it is difficult to hold it steady. When sighting my xbow, I shoot it from the sitting position & I can get much better groups then I did with vert. bow. (25 - 30 yards) But again, free hand is another story, which is why I say "they MIGHT have a point."
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Post by kurt on Jan 10, 2008 7:37:13 GMT -5
Argument: The crossbow controversy creates division amongst sportsmen, and the public image of crossbows makes proposed hunting with them counter to the sportsmen's interest.
Fact: The controversy, is in fact CREATED by the many vertical archery clubs & their anti crossbow position. Fear & lack of knowledge is at the foundation that "creates" this controversy and has been fueled by the vertical anti crossbow crowd using their organizations to spread misinformation (or myths) & even out right lies to bolster their own "personal" agenda. Until now, the vertical crowd has had the upper hand due to the fact that crossbow users were low in numbers & not organized. This is changing, and it is changing fast as more and more of us that have had to give up hunting with a vertical bow, - due to physical impairments &/or disabilities, - leaving us with no other option but to hunt with a crossbow, if we want to stay in the game.
As a result, we are organizing, and we are putting the information of TRUTH & FACTS out there and as a result the public is "in fact" becoming educated to the truth & facts of the crossbow. This is resulting in the myths & lies being dispelled and the controversy dwindling. The in roads, to the acceptance of crossbow (though under limited restriction) in more and more states, is in fact the evidence of this. The balance is shifting, - and it is shifting based on the foundation of truth and facts, - as well as the fact that those of us that are advocating for the crossbow, were once vertical bow hunters, who are just trying to stay in the game. We are growing and organizing and educating the public. We are not going away.
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Post by kurt on Jan 11, 2008 6:46:19 GMT -5
Argument: Because it is not hand drawn and released, the crossbow is more closely compared to a firearm then a vertical bow.
Fact: Hand drawn and released is "totally" irrelevant to the question of whether or not they are both bows. Take any vertical bow, mount it to a gun stock, and you have a crossbow. The physics &/or machnics of it, does not change, just because you have mounted it to a gun stock. The only thing that changes, is the prefix word that defines the "type" of bow it is. Long, - recurve, - compound, - cross, - are all words that define different "types" of "BOWS." --- A bow is a bow is a bow because of the physical & mechanical properties to propel a projectile. The only real legal question/argument is whether or not it has the power to do so with lethal effect &/or power!!! Hunting with a crossbow, - in fact does NOT give the hunter some kind of a magic "bullet" more closely related to a rifle. I am still shooting an arrow to which ALL the same "laws" of physics apply!!!
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Post by BT on Jan 11, 2008 6:56:39 GMT -5
Argument: Because it is not hand drawn and released, the crossbow is more closely compared to a firearm then a vertical bow. Fact: Hand drawn and released is "totally" irrelevant to the question of whether or not they are both bows. This is a statement that I have heard many times but I believe it is said while foaming from the mouth I understand the argument though....it's just expressed incorrectly to what the accuser wishes to point out. What is meant to be said that it is the act of drawing the bow as opposed to not drawing that has the advantage. Now on the other hand , there are always pro's and cons to any bow type and the same argument was given by the stick bow shooters when speaking of the compound. The stick bow guys argued that the compound could be held for a unnatural long period of time before the release....and they are right. Both have unfair advantages Both have disadvantages as well
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Post by kurt on Jan 14, 2008 7:48:21 GMT -5
Argument: Nobody wants crossbow hunting except the crossbow manufactures.
Fact: Yes it is true that crossbow manufactures play a part in advocating to have their product excepted as a hunting weapon of choice, - just as other manufactures of other products used in hunting advocate for the excepted use of their product for hunting. The fact is that we live in a world where advances in technology are being researched & introduced on almost a daily basis and it is only natural that the manufactures of products are going to play a part in promoting the legal use of their product.
However, as much as crossbow manufactures may play "a part" in this, - they certainly are not the "ONLY" ones advocating for the acceptance of the crossbow. The real fact here is that "BOW HUNTERS" are the ones that are really advocating for the acceptance of the crossbow. Bow hunters, that due to physical impairment &/or disability are just trying to stay in the game of bow hunting.
That is who REALLY wants crossbow hunting, - is BOW HUNTERS, - that for the most part can no longer hunt with a vertical bow, - due to physical impairment &/or disability. --- We are just trying to stay in the game, - for all of the same reasons that bow hunters are bow hunters in the first place
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