Konrad
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Post by Konrad on Jun 30, 2013 19:23:18 GMT -5
Once again, I find myself in a state of confusion trying to understand positions of the American Left.
On the one hand, American firearms owners are treated with suspicion and dread over crimes that have not even been contemplated. Statistics show that Americans who legally own firearms are overwhelmingly law abiding as the percentage of those arms used in the commission of a crime is infinitesimally small.
On the other hand, the American Left willingly accepts the premise that someone who has actually been convicted of a heinous crime is eminently redeemable with a little therapy, a support group and perhaps some medication while facts prove beyond reasonable doubt violent convicted criminals have a high percentage of recidivism.
According to the most recent statistics from the Bureau of Justice:
“Among nearly 300,000 prisoners released in 15 states in 1994, 67.5% were rearrested within 3 years. A study of prisoners released in 1983 estimated 62.5%.”
“These offenders had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.” “Released prisoners with the highest re-arrest rates were robbers (70.2%...these folks by definition use illegal weapons)… those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).” My questions are: How are these recidivists acquiring “illegal weapons”? (30 to 35% of those currently incarcerated by the Washington State Dept of Corrections are recidivists) Why can we not focus on those who we know have no respect for the law and leave the law abiding alone?
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Lockmaster
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Post by Lockmaster on Jun 30, 2013 19:32:04 GMT -5
Well said Konrad!
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Post by BT on Jul 1, 2013 5:30:29 GMT -5
The answer is that you cannot control those that work outside of the law. Since that is the fact, you focus on the one's that do so that you can feel as if you are doing something.
People on the left focus on the fact that guns are out there and thats what they can control. The people who do not follow rules are not going to give them up, so the mindset says that if you get rid of all guns then there will be no guns to get.
Stupid sure but the left isn't known for being overly smart.
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Post by horizontalhunter on Jul 1, 2013 7:19:30 GMT -5
The answer is that you cannot control those that work outside of the law. Since that is the fact, you focus on the one's that do so that you can feel as if you are doing something.People on the left focus on the fact that guns are out there and thats what they can control. The people who do not follow rules are not going to give them up, so the mindset says that if you get rid of all guns then there will be no guns to get. Stupid sure but the left isn't known for being overly smart. It is all about control. In another generation or so they will have succeed in taking away the vast majority of our guns and we, as gun owners, are helping. I say this for two reasons: 1. The next generation in school is being indoctrinated that guns are evil. Look at the nonsense that is occurring all around the country with these zero tolerance policies. Kids are being suspended for having pictures of guns, gun T-shirts, and pizza guns in the cafeteria. 2. Many gun clubs, at least here, now are setting age restrictions for children shooters limiting at what age they can shoot and also specific calibers. For example there are several clubs here that requires that they must be at leas 10 to shoot a .22, 18 to shoot a 12g or handgun. 3. Range guest policies: All but one club here in Western Mass will not allow you to bring a guest to the range. How are new people supposed to get started in the shooting sports? ?? Bob
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Post by Doegirl on Jul 1, 2013 22:12:10 GMT -5
The answer is that you cannot control those that work outside of the law. Since that is the fact, you focus on the one's that do so that you can feel as if you are doing something.People on the left focus on the fact that guns are out there and thats what they can control. The people who do not follow rules are not going to give them up, so the mindset says that if you get rid of all guns then there will be no guns to get. Stupid sure but the left isn't known for being overly smart. It is all about control. In another generation or so they will have succeed in taking away the vast majority of our guns and we, as gun owners, are helping. I say this for two reasons: 1. The next generation in school is being indoctrinated that guns are evil. Look at the nonsense that is occurring all around the country with these zero tolerance policies. Kids are being suspended for having pictures of guns, gun T-shirts, and pizza guns in the cafeteria. 2. Many gun clubs, at least here, now are setting age restrictions for children shooters limiting at what age they can shoot and also specific calibers. For example there are several clubs here that requires that they must be at leas 10 to shoot a .22, 18 to shoot a 12g or handgun. 3. Range guest policies: All but one club here in Western Mass will not allow you to bring a guest to the range. How are new people supposed to get started in the shooting sports? ?? Bob I'll count my blessings then here in Ohio. We still have cub scouts learn how to shoot .22's at the local conservation clubs. The FFA chapter at the high school I graduated from still holds weekly trap shoots at a local gun club. Hopefully the Appalachians can hold back the leftist flakes on the East Coast indefinitely...
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Post by shootstraight on Jul 2, 2013 18:52:08 GMT -5
I get the impression that your confusion is with government if your reference to the "left" is a political reference.
It's your understanding of government that's confusing you and how it's empowered. Many people claim they want to be left alone yet their actions give government every opportunity to regulate.
Government is empowered when one person infringes on another persons freedoms for personal gain.
From my treestand government is the only player in this whole tapestry of events that's true to form.
Government is: grossly abusive of power and highly inefficient. It's the people who act false and give government the opportunity to regulate freedom away.
People are only free to protect the freedoms of everyone else, in doing so we protect our own. If we use our freedom to take freedom away from another, we forfeit our own and government is the rat poison that does it.
Love your neighbor and all will be well. Do it not and government grows.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 23:22:32 GMT -5
I get the impression that your confusion is with government if your reference to the "left" is a political reference. It's your understanding of government that's confusing you and how it's empowered. Many people claim they want to be left alone yet their actions give government every opportunity to regulate. Government is empowered when one person infringes on another persons freedoms for personal gain. From my treestand government is the only player in this whole tapestry of events that's true to form. Government is: grossly abusive of power and highly inefficient. It's the people who act false and give government the opportunity to regulate freedom away. People are only free to protect the freedoms of everyone else, in doing so we protect our own. If we use our freedom to take freedom away from another, we forfeit our own and government is the rat poison that does it. Love your neighbor and all will be well. Do it not and government grows. Wow, I got to get to bed rt now but we gotta talk a little about this here dude. Ster
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Post by shootstraight on Jul 3, 2013 10:52:22 GMT -5
I Wow, I got to get to bed rt now but we gotta talk a little about this here dude. Ster If you got rats, rat poison is an effective treatment, however keeping things clean is the answer to not having to use the poison. People who believe government to be the answer (they keep claiming if government was brand X all would be better) simply believe more rat poison is the answer to the rat problem. Once an understanding of what government is and how it's grown to the size it is (it's empowerment) corrections can be made to reduce government. Based on the size and scope of government today the answer escapes us, but I'll bet again you think voting (government) is the answer. How many more hundreds of years would it take before people stopped waiting for government brand X to answer the country's problems? Was there ever a law passed (government) because someone loved their neighbor? On the contrary that neighbor often defended their neighbor from such aggression (that would be our war for independence). "A republic if YOU can keep it" people just don't understand how they give it away, they think voting for a politician is the answer, but that's just believing government is the answer. It is not, if it is how much longer must we wait before it proves it? A state of law if YOU can keep it. What gives the law the opportunity to law over people but breaking the law? What law though is the law this one nation under God is breaking that gives government the opportunity to regulate but the law that violates another right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and who else would want that for another except someone who had love for another.
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Post by smj on Jul 3, 2013 13:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by shootstraight on Jul 7, 2013 21:35:03 GMT -5
I Wow, I got to get to bed rt now but we gotta talk a little about this here dude. Ster If you got rats, rat poison is an effective treatment, however keeping things clean is the answer to not having to use the poison. People who believe government to be the answer (they keep claiming if government was brand X all would be better) simply believe more rat poison is the answer to the rat problem. Once an understanding of what government is and how it's grown to the size it is (it's empowerment) corrections can be made to reduce government. Based on the size and scope of government today the answer escapes us, but I'll bet again you think voting (government) is the answer. How many more hundreds of years would it take before people stopped waiting for government brand X to answer the country's problems? Was there ever a law passed (government) because someone loved their neighbor? On the contrary that neighbor often defended their neighbor from such aggression (that would be our war for independence). "A republic if YOU can keep it" people just don't understand how they give it away, they think voting for a politician is the answer, but that's just believing government is the answer. It is not, if it is how much longer must we wait before it proves it? A state of law if YOU can keep it. What gives the law the opportunity to law over people but breaking the law? What law though is the law this one nation under God is breaking that gives government the opportunity to regulate but the law that violates another right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and who else would want that for another except someone who had love for another. Whoever found the above worthy of posting I'm glad, but the left out was only offensive to those who find things offensive. They also had historical significance. "Wad" really meant the wadding of a muzzel loaded gun "out of wadding and unable to continue". Only the crude used it otherwise. Let me be perfectly clear, I challenge all to read history, even the recording of bad history can't blur reality if the reader reads enough of it. It's the WWW and I don' have to use this forum to convey the truth, but ask yourself this, can you stop the truth? Try if you want, wish you luck. It's the WWW, how big do you think you are in the World Wide Web? Stopping the world is something, I'm pulling for you then I can say I knew someone who could stop the world wide web. Next time let it ride, if it's wrong it will fade away, if it's right you can't stop it. I say love your neighbor and all will be well, what say you, dude?
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