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Post by BT on Apr 20, 2013 1:48:30 GMT -5
I am not preaching anything that contests the heavy arrow philosophy and I am a northeast hunter who deals with close up situations so take that into consideration.
1968 all I had was a recurve and Cedar arrows. I did really well with them.
1972 I had a Allen compound and used aluminum arrows and I did pretty good.
1973 I still had the Allen and switched to Bear fiberglass arrows and I did o.k. with this set up. Very heavy arrows and huge gaps through out my range differentials. The arrows were the difference as to my success rates dropping. That same year I switched back to aluminum.
1984 I shot a Jennings Uni-Star and changed from aluminum's to AFC Graphite shafts which closed the pin gap and added distance to that first pin. Deer would still (occasionally) string jump and I would still miss but I didn't miss the ones that didn't string jump and I didn't miss those deer within the range of that first pin due to range estimation errors that I previously experienced with the aluminum's.
1992 I shot a Pearson Spoiler which was faster than the Uni-Star and I went back to aluminum. The bows speed made up the difference for the added arrow weight and nothing changed as far as the deer I missed and the deer I killed.
1996 I shot the Oneida Eagle and changed to Carbons. This set up nearly eliminated the string jump misses within the first pin range and my range extended a few yards. I still killed all the deer that didn't string jump and my misses due to range estimation were reduced.
2002 I shot a Black Knight 2 with the lightest carbon arrows I could find. My kills went through the roof!. I added 10 yards to the first pin and no deer could drop out of the way of the arrow at distances below 22 yards.
2004 I still shot a BK2 and switched to Alaskan grizzly sticks (following Ashby) and I lost 8 yards on my first pin. I also lost more deer to wounding that year than I had ever lost in total for all previous years.
After 2 wounds I went back to the carbons.
To date I have not seen any reason to change my set up.
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Post by ccwilder3 on Apr 25, 2013 14:30:05 GMT -5
Your experiences pretty much mirror mine.
Around 2003-2004 I tried to go the super heavy route to see how quiet I could get my bow. Before I was through I had that bow as quiet as any you will hear today. I found out that no matter how quiet a bow is, at 25 yards on a cool calm morning, it is still loud to a deer. I had more deer duck the arrow with that setup than any I've ever hunted with.
My setups for the last few years have all been 300+ fps of tasty goodness. Penetration has not been a problem.
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Post by BT on Apr 25, 2013 17:58:39 GMT -5
Yup...Right on.
It's cruel the way it works in as much as a deer will react to anything when you are close but the faster the bow, the further you can go out before you miss altogether.
I did a test on a falling target (8" kill area) with three bows (it's on this site somewhere) some years ago. I was releasing at dead center on the target as the shot and fall occurred.
One was shooting 160fps. the next was shooting 280fps and the last was shooting 325fps.
The distance for the 160fps bow was 12 yards before the target got away.
The distance for the 280 bow was 16 yards before the target got away.
The distance for the 325 bow was 18 yards before the target got away.
Holding the bottom of the 8" I could have increased those distances by maybe 3-4 yards and still had the arrow in the 8" area but thats it.
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Post by ccwilder3 on Apr 25, 2013 20:44:50 GMT -5
That pretty much jives with the calculations that I've made. Keep in mind that the actual yardage will be a little more because of the time it takes the sound to get to the deer and the time it takes the deer to react to the sound. There have actually been a few studies on reaction time and for a deer it varied from .06 to.10 seconds.
At one time I had an excel spreadsheet that would give you the amount of drop you could expect if you input the yardage and initial arrow velocity. It was a real eye opener.
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Post by BT on Apr 25, 2013 20:54:17 GMT -5
That pretty much jives with the calculations that I've made. Keep in mind that the actual yardage will be a little more because of the time it takes the sound to get to the deer and the time it takes the deer to react to the sound. There have actually been a few studies on reaction time and for a deer it varied from .06 to.10 seconds. At one time I had an excel spreadsheet that would give you the amount of drop you could expect if you input the yardage and initial arrow velocity. It was a real eye opener.That would be so cool to have  |
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