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[Nencop]

I have checked everything I can think of! My arrows are still entering the target nock left, my cams are timed, my rest and nock point are square, and I have shot several different brands of arrows, whats left?
Jim

[BT]

nencop said:

I have checked everything I can think of! My arrows are still entering the target nock left, my cams are timed, my rest and nock point are square, and I have shot several different brands of arrows, whats left?
Jim

Welcome to the board nencop

I would suggest that your rest needs to go left.
Your rest may be square but that doesn't mean that it's where it wants to be.
Of course it me just be hand position.

If it is pretty easy to determine which with a little shooting distance which you have no doubt done already.
If it is the rest you will find that the impact gets further of the mark as you move farther from the target.
If it is hand position you will have fairly good consistency at varying distances but you will notice the occasional arrow fishtailing toward the target.

If it is hand position then you will want to correct this since it will effect broadhead flight
If it is in fact the rest then what you are telling me is that your rest needs to go left.
Never mind that the rest wont be square anymore
The arrow flight dictates the location of the rest

Lets hear some more details as pertains to what you have gone through so far and how you came to notice this.
Are the arrows that far and consistently nock left?

If so....it is most likely the rest placement is close but needs tweaking.

[Nencop]

I noticed it when I was paper tuning. After that I was paying closer attention and noticed that the arrows were all entering the target nock left. I am still maintaining a really good group at all distances, so I am guessing that it must be hand position as you stated, how do I fix this, I hold my hand the same as I always have. It is going to be hard to retrain myself for a new hand postion. I started shooting archery some 19 years ago when I was about 10 years old. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jim Mathes

[Nencop]

I guess it would probably help if I told you what I was shooting. I shoot an older bow, a PSE precision edge, set at 90#'s, 31 inch draw length, whisker biscuit rest, Gold Tip carbons with 125 grain tips. I just bought a PSE G-Force off of ebay, the price was too good to pass up, 80 bucks, brand new! It was from an estate sale. When I start shooting it I'm sure it will be a whole new can of worms.

Jim Mathes

[michihunter]

I'd venture to say that those 90# limbs may be affecting your form. Not too many people I know of can shoot that heavy very well. One thing I'd try if I were you is altering your DW and see if that will change your arrows flight characteristics. You may be experiencing spine issues.

[BT]

O.K....if you are grouping well and all pins are aligned in the sight then I am going to say that you need to check for limb torque and hand position.

For hand position , try three paper shots with one wrist low,one wrist neutral and one wrist high.
See which gives you the best hole and go with it.
(provided the limbs are not torqued/twisted)

Does the riser have removable side plates on the grip?
Remove them and paper test again.

This may take a few posts to figure out so be patient

[Nencop]

I tried the hand position this morning, all I had to do was loosen my grip a bit. That seems to have taken care of it. The 90#'s isn't an issue, I am a rather large man, 6'3" 265, but that would make alot of sense. Thanks for your input guys!

[royden]

That's one thing the Whisker Biscuit is good for ... it really shows up variances or flaws in form cause of how it controls the arrow thru-out the shot.

I was curious myself what you would find - glad it was found!

[Nencop]

Me too, I was going nuts! Now I am trying to break myself of gripping to tight.

[royden]

The easiest way I have found for form practice is kind of strange and boring but works. If you got kids or others who might come wandering around un-expected it might be dangerous to their health.

Stand at your 5 yard line, get a comfortable foot postition, draw, anchor, line up pin loosely - then shut your eyes. PREFERABLY DO THIS WITH SOMEONE YOU TRUST WATCHING YOUR BACK With eyes shut focus on your grip, anchor and stance - then shoot still eyes shut still focusing on each aspect of the shot including follow thru of the bow arm and release arm. For me I can only focus completely on one aspect of the shot - so I go thru each one and get them right before focusing on a different aspect. 20-50 shots will make a world of diffence - 500 even more!

Size is a funny thing - my brother-in-law (Texas dude) is about 6'3"or 4" (couple more than me) and wanted to draw my 70# bow in town. I agreed cause at 270 he would be in decent shape but he is at least 300. Criminy, he has to pull 70 lbs just to get out of bed! So I nock an arrrow in case of dry fire, and he draws the bow back about half way. He starts shaking and grimacing and grunting and then lets the arrow go ;D ;D ;D Shot thru the fence, thru the hedge and thru the neighbors garage wall. We went over and said "Jim, can we get in your garage, you got something in there we need!" Charlie ain't ever drawing my bow again. On the flip side is some little 150# guys drawing 80-90 lb compounds and long bows like they were toys - go figure! One 150-160# guy here supposedly (I didn't see it) but the witnesses are reliable drew two 90# longbows taped together.

I say if a person wants a heavy weight and can draw the bow sitting down let - 'em have at it!