please help the compound nOOb!!

[Greg Krause]

With FP's that bow will shoot TIGHT groups even with rest out of whack. If he is close to centershot and getting vane clearance he should be shooting good groups. when he is doing that and is outside you can work your magic with him and have him putting BH tipped arrows in the same hole as FP's.

[BT]

skipmaster1 said:

With FP's that bow will shoot TIGHT groups even with rest out of whack. If he is close to center shot and getting vane clearance he should be shooting good groups. when he is doing that and is outside you can work your magic with him and have him putting BH tipped arrows in the same hole as FP's.

Well maybe not out of whack but I know what you mean

To get an arrow at an angle it could be a matter of 3/16" @ 10yrds or as little as 1/8th.

We will see

I still say that we shouldn't forget the medium that is being shot into

You can have a bag target that will put every arrow at the same angle when the bow is tuned perfectly.

Seen it on indoor ranges and the fights that ensue as the line judge Call's 9's as 10's

[~Messiah~]

i just got home from work, thx for all the info guys. im glad everyone here is so freindly and willingto help out, but yeah i really need to take it out and get some distance in.

the distance betwen the valley of ease and the rock hard wall is very very tiny. it almost feels like im trying to stretchthe string, lol. this maybe because i am use to the constant pulling of trad bows. old habits.


My set up is 28 inches draw, at 70 lbs, 80% let off, using a D-loop, and easton 340 carbon arrows. 100 grain FP's, also using the Ripcord Fallaway. I also think they cut my arrows to long, as the FP's very tips stick out about 1 -1.5 inches maybe 2? inches from the edge of the riser, ill have to take some pics and see what you guys think later. I told wifey to get the cameras cards downloaded so i can use it, lol.





i think the bow shop was out to lunch, cuz my rest actually falls away onto the shelf (proper term?) im gonna take the bow to someone who actually sells the ripcords and uses them.


when i go out shooting this weekend, should i take some videos of me shooting to maybe get some pointers on what i am doing right or wrong, and what i can do to make it better? Ill get those bow and arrow length at full draw pics done as soon as i can.


You guys are great

[Greg Krause]

You are right about it feeling like the string is stretching. This is the only thing I wish Hoyt would change, they have the draw stop on the cam hit one of the cables. It dosen't have a draw stop peg. Thtas why it moves a little, you are actually pushing against the cable.
Thats a great set up! It is pretty much the exact sam as my buddy Ray's. It sounds like your arrows are about 29" long. With your set up you should be able to go 27.5". That's what he shoots with that rest and draw length. The only difference with your set up and his, is he is using AC super slims. The Rip cord will fall onto the shelf, we have a thin little piece of foam down where it falls. It sounds like you are in good shape.

[Greg Krause]

Here is a pic of how it sits on the shelf. Here it is with the padding I mentioned.

[Greg Krause]

This bow has not been fully tuned yet. The center shot is set at exact center with a laser. It will, I'm sure need to be moved a 16th or so to get her in proper tune. Do you see the line that shows the windage for the rest? Is yours close to that mark? This is a good starting point if you havent started to flight tune yet. With the same rest and same bow I can't imagaine they would be that different from one to the next.

[michihunter]

YOur in good hands with Skip BB!! He certainly knows that Trykon backwards and forwards. Looking at your arrow setup it appears your spine is correct for your setup. Maybe someone here has the onTarget program to help you with the "perfect" setup for your arrows. You yourself can download a trial version of it from www.pinwheelsoftware.com I'm currently down to dial up speeds (local server crash) so I won't have the access I normally have and may only be here for a limioted amount of time today.

[BT]

Very Nice Skipper!

[~Messiah~]

my rest is set up simliar, where did you get that foam?. My arrows had some kind of pendalum lazer handing over them to find centre shot as well. but i would really like to get the arrows cut again so that the front of the insert is in line with the riser at full draw, or at least the inserts where the centre of the riser is.


will making them shorter efect the spine and ill need to go to a different size? like a 400?

[michihunter]

Great tuning tips from a AT member who graciously allowed me to post them here. (Thanks N&B ). Here ya go:;



Hang a weighted string from a nail on a target.

Stick a round sticker on the target face so that the string splits the sticker. Use your existing 20-yd pin, step back 20-yards from the target and fire at the sticker.

Don't worry about where the arrow hits.

Walk straight back to 30 yds, and using the same 20-yd pin setting,
fire an arrow at the sticker.

Repeat at 35 yds and at 40 yds, using the 20-yd pin and firing at the sticker.

If your arrows look like this pattern " / " or “\”,
then pick a direction and move your arrow rest 1/16th inch.




If the pattern gets straighter (more vertical), then that is great. Keep adjusting in that direction.




If the pattern gets more crooked, then adjust in the other direction.

Keep firing arrows and keep adjusting the arrow rest position until you get a vertical pattern of arrows.

Eventually, your arrows will hit in the target is a straight up and down line like this " | ".





LOCK down the arrow rest setting. Your centershot is perfect.



But, your vertical pattern of arrows may not be hitting the string.

The vertical pattern of arrows may be on one side of the string.
Let’s say the arrows are say 6-inches to the left of the weighted string.


Pick a direction to adjust your sight ring windage. Adjust the sight ring windage 1/16th of an inch. Repeat the test. Fire arrows at least 3 distances, and see if the vertical pattern of arrows gets closer to the string.

If the vertical pattern of arrows is getting closer to the string, then that is great. Keep adjusting in that direction. If the vertical pattern of arrows is getting farther away, then adjust in the other direction.

Eventually, you will have a vertical pattern of arrows right on top of the string.

Lock down the windage and lock down the arrow rest. Windage and center shot are now perfect.