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Post by SPIKER on Jul 6, 2009 20:21:52 GMT -5
Personally I carry an old 03-a3 springfield 30-06 My dad has that exact rifle, and it still performs extremely well. The '06 is a great round. The 300 is an '06 with a bigger casing. I love the ballistic tips on Whitetail, I'd like to see how they take down an elk.  |
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Post by Doegirl on Jul 6, 2009 22:31:00 GMT -5
My first pick for you would be the .308. Very accurate, manageable recoil and reasonable weight in a shorter rifle. Personally I would vote for the personal comfort at the end of two weeks climbing blowdown and hiking up and down the hills and therefor take the .308. My mom killed a lot of deer with hers - accurate as far as you want to shoot. Knockdown power is decent but I also would be less comfortable with it beyond 300 yards for elk. However, you are a bowhunter  ... you can generally sneaky feet in to less than 300 yards  . This caliber would be easier to find in a weight and length that you can throw to your shoulder quick. My suggestion for a scope would be a 1.5 or 2 - 8 power. You want that low power for brush shooting. Next would be the 270 and then '06. Too me the .270 is at the bottem end of the envelope for elk rounds, however it gets the job done and is easy to carry. I am not familier with the 7mm but the charts on it put it in the running also. Personally I carry an old 03-a3 springfield 30-06 - it has been plenty of gun for me for 24 yrs. I tried the 200 grn accubonds in it for a few seasons and was unimpressed, I will go back to 180 grn bullets next time I need to reload for it. What I have always done with this rifle is shot a fouling round and then sighted in with a cold barrell single shot. At 300 yards the fouling round was always low left at 2-3" - interesting that flyincedar had the same clock position  I would stay away from muzzlebrake rifles for two reasons - one hearing, two vision. I could imagine (never witnessed so just guessing) that a follow up shot at dusk would be hard after having that big fireball to look thru from the first shot. I do know that the '06 at dusk looks impressive so I can only guess what a muzzle brake would be like. jmh .02  I like your suggestion of the .308. Many "youth" models are offered in that caliber. And those are the guns that tend to fit me the best. Long range elk "plinking" is not what I'm interested in. Just interested in a gun that's reasonable to shoot, yet ethical to hunt elk with. 300yds is certainly a sane max yardage in my mind... |
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Post by royden on Jul 6, 2009 22:49:14 GMT -5
spiker - I think my problem with the 200 grn accubond was a lack of speed ... they didn't have enough fps to open properly and instead just poked a 1/2" hole thru the critters  . With a 300 and the extra fps they would do great at long range. I just don't want the weight, cost and kick in that order (weight is first on my short list when hiking long miles thru blowdown and snow). Doe girl - 300 yards would be a good limiter; however I would zero a .308 for 250-300 just because of the trajectory. Just going from my gut I would expect a 165 grn boattail to be 0" at 25, 1" high at 50 yrds, 2" high at 100 yards, 2.5" high at 200 yards and back to 0" at 250, 2" low at 300. compared to 0 at 100 and 6" low at 250 yards and 9" low at 300. |
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Post by Doegirl on Jul 6, 2009 23:52:46 GMT -5
Sorry, Fyincedar, you also recommended the .308  . Have you checked out the Savage Shooters forum? www.savageshooters.com |
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Post by FlyinCedar on Jul 7, 2009 6:18:11 GMT -5
Yes, i have. Thank you. Im not big into hunting with anything other than a bow. i love rifles, but i love the long range precision aspect of it... I didnt mean to say you should try taking an extemely long shot at an elk, I hope it wasnt taken as such. All shots should be within your comfortable range...
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Post by oldfarmsblueman on Jul 7, 2009 8:13:18 GMT -5
I have shot most and reloaded many.I picked up a Browning Safari 300 win. mag in Japan in 1967 on my R+R from Vietnam,$150.00  Wish I still had it.It was not a fun gun to shoot.I shot a 375 H+H mag. and think I could develop a flinch with that one.I find the Rem 7MM mag.to be very shotable and has lots of punch.The 308 is a 30-06 short and will do the same thing untill you get up to the 220 GR. bullets. You are MUCH better to have less gun and shoot it well than a cannon that makes you flinch and make poor shots.You should never even think about the guns recoil when shooting at game.Shooting at the target range is a different story. |
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Post by CopperHead on Jul 7, 2009 10:13:02 GMT -5
Personally I carry an old 03-a3 springfield 30-06 My dad has that exact rifle, and it still performs extremely well. The '06 is a great round. The 300 is an '06 with a bigger casing. I love the ballistic tips on Whitetail, I'd like to see how they take down an elk. Spiker, For elk or moose I'd stay away from ballistic tips. Mainly because they are designed for quick expansion. For elk you want something designed for penetration like the failsafe or trophybonded bullets. |
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Post by SPIKER on Jul 7, 2009 16:36:37 GMT -5
My dad has that exact rifle, and it still performs extremely well. The '06 is a great round. The 300 is an '06 with a bigger casing. I love the ballistic tips on Whitetail, I'd like to see how they take down an elk. Spiker, For elk or moose I'd stay away from ballistic tips. Mainly because they are designed for quick expansion. For elk you want something designed for penetration like the failsafe or trophybonded bullets. Makes sense. I have some 200gr Boat - Tails that punch holes in steel plates at 200 yds that I'm sure would fare better. |
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Post by oldgun on Jul 7, 2009 17:28:27 GMT -5
Ballistic tips have never caused a problem for me with moose but have never hunted elk.
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Post by Reaper on Jul 7, 2009 21:50:49 GMT -5
Like Slim said, the .270 is plenty here in AZ. My daughter was 12 when she killed her elk with a .270. I have taken deer and elk with it. It's all about the bullet and shot placement. I have fallen in love with the Hornady SST and it is unreal on animals. I don't even go very heavy, 150 gr. for my .270 and 165gr. for the .06. They have proven more than enough.
My .270 is a small New England arms single shot handy rifle. It has a heavier barrel and is a real tack driver. Great for small frames. I gave maybe $200 for it new. My son has a remington 700 in .270. .270 is a really common calibre in youth model guns too. My humble opinion, but my opinion was formed by my personal experiences.
Whatever you decide on, make sure you are comfortable with it and that you are NOT flinching.
Bill
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... you can generally sneaky feet in to less than 300 yards 
. This caliber would be easier to find in a weight and length that you can throw to your shoulder quick. My suggestion for a scope would be a 1.5 or 2 - 8 power. You want that low power for brush shooting.
. With a 300 and the extra fps they would do great at long range. I just don't want the weight, cost and kick in that order (weight is first on my short list when hiking long miles thru blowdown and snow).
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Wish I still had it.It was not a fun gun