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Post by BT on Dec 27, 2008 23:38:57 GMT -5
Another thing, in the FAQ section, they specifically state that the bowturbow cannot be used on Mathews or Bowtech bows with cable guards. Huh?  Hmmm.... No....I will not say it!...you cannot make me! ;D |
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Post by BT on Dec 28, 2008 0:13:08 GMT -5
....increases in the 10-20 fps range with a couple pound increase in draw weight, minimal if any change in draw length, an little to no change in holding weight. He said on 100+ bows they tested it on, no matter where they placed the bowturbow, the greatest increase in draw length they saw was 1/2 an inch. I cant wait to see this thing Spiker. |
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Post by SPIKER on Dec 28, 2008 5:12:49 GMT -5
I cant wait to see this thing Spiker. Me neither. Rumor has it that Hoyt is looking into incorporating it into their bows...  |
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Post by bowman on Dec 28, 2008 8:37:32 GMT -5
They have a booth at the ATA show so I can check them out there. Your going to the ATA show Bowman? How much did that run you? The only cost for me is the Gas and food. only a 3 hour drive from home. Tracey and I have Exhibitor passes |
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Post by bowman on Dec 28, 2008 8:44:35 GMT -5
What kind of spooks me is that there is no remotely detailed pics of this product. You're just kind of putting an order in blind. Another thing, in the FAQ section, they specifically state that the bowturbow cannot be used on Mathews or Bowtech bows with cable guards. Huh? You have to have a cable Bar on your bow Many of the new bow are changing this design.Mathews and the new Martin wathog have the rollers with no slide. |
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Post by bowman on Dec 28, 2008 9:13:58 GMT -5
I may head down to the ATA show as well, but I am running out of vacation time......so we'll see..... Anyway, I am not sold at all on this thing.........but we should see what it'll do with an 80# Vulcan! If you go let me know and we will meet up. |
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Post by BT on Dec 28, 2008 9:57:33 GMT -5
1" of arrow travel equals 10fps (low average) 1# of bow weight equals 1fps (low average) 10# draw weight @ 85% let off equals 1 1/2# Reported changes in the bow with turbow : 1/2" draw length gain 1 to 1-1/2# weight gain at full draw.1/2" adds 5fps (low average) PLUS 10# adds 10fps (average) EQUALS 15fps+ As I have said before....not a magic trick. I will say that I do like the idea of post loading the limbs as opposed to pre-loading. Chopping cables takes experience and really is not totally safe. This really might be a great device for someone like myself who is into playing the margin for speed.  That said... When these things start getting installed, those who are right on the cusp of spine (light) may have to re-tune for perfect flight. You cant add 10# on the high side of the draw cycle without changing the overall effect to the arrow. (This is just as simple a fact as there is.) I keep harping on this because I thin that there are plenty of people who will buy and use this device and will have issues with flight in some cases. I think that when this happens that there will be no straight talk from the manufacturer because doing so would point directly to the fact that this device adds load to the limb. As soon as this becomes common knowledge, the potential for legal action against the manufacturer for damages (real and manufactured) will become very real. I think that (perhaps) if this item is what you want....you may want to get it before the company is bankrupted by the lawyers.  |
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Post by royden on Dec 28, 2008 10:18:44 GMT -5
I agree with all you say BT; but I believe there is an added dimension here. The cables are loading the limbs from a forward position ... they are in effect pulling the limbs forward at release. This will increase speed just because of the forward pull. It also puts some new mechanics into limb travel that may or may not be good - testing requiered! I suspect your right - better get one if you want one - but should probably be used on bows that are not maxed out and with a heads up. Mathews and bowtech both have some bows with roller gaurds - this is just a new dimension so I don't see why one of the bow companies won't buy the company out and start building their bows with it engineered in place (if it actually works - which I think it can work) The next step might be mini-cams on the cable roller  |
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Post by Buckshot06 on Dec 28, 2008 12:34:37 GMT -5
One problem I see with this product is the operator. Like BT stated this company is in for some real head aches from the users. The average bow hunter doesn't know anything about an arrows spine or what their bow can handle IMO. What was a good arrow for their bow at first is now no good do to the increased speed and poundage. People are not going to follow the manufactures instructions on were to install this product. People will think if putting it on your cable slide slightly forward gives you this much speed than as far forward as possible give them a super fast bow. Here lies the problem IMO why would you spend $700 + on a new fast bow, when you can buy this product and then purchase a $200 bow and achive the same speed for $250. The bow then fails in one way or the other and hopefully  no one gets injured and the product is no more. Just like BT stated, if you want one maybe you should get one before it is to late. Don't under estimate the user? IMO |
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Post by BT on Dec 28, 2008 12:47:22 GMT -5
Don't under estimate the user? IMO Never under estimate the ability of a fool to injury oneself or others. ;D |
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no one gets injured and the product is no more. Just like BT stated, if you want one maybe you should get one before it is to late. Don't under estimate the user? IMO