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Post by BT on Sept 19, 2006 11:36:34 GMT -5
When it comes to picking the best shot placement I would say that the answer is no. That is to say that ever since when I can remember reading the columns in sporting magazines that advised waiting for a quartering away shot for the best chance of getting the best hit. To me this is a double edge sword True...the chances increase for the fact that you will hit a lung but the chances decrease for hitting both lungs Deer are alot stronger than we already give them credit for and my belief is that many of these wounding threads are started by people that waited for a 1/4ing away shot. Don't believe me?.... Between the downward angle and the rearward angle you are making a smaller target as it advances towards you in terms of a double lung shot. for example.... Hold both hands apart by maybe 6" and think about a side too shot going through both hands. Pretty easy huh?! Now angle those hands toward you at a 45degree angle. Pretty not easy huh? If you are looking at your hands correctly you will see that you can only shoot through 1/2 of your hand in order to hit the other hand. Want to ratchet up the rate of difficulty? Hold your hands below your waist at the same 45 degree angle to each other and move one hand above the other at a 45 angle. Now...Find the shot as it pertains to shooting down from above ! Frigging Daniel Boone couldn't hit that with his squirrel gun ;D Just some food for thought Think outside of the box [ ]
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Post by BT on Sept 23, 2006 21:37:27 GMT -5
Now come on ! This wasn't a set up thread....there is no trap ;D Someone tell me I am wrong or right and lets get this discussion going here This is a very important thread at this time of year and we need to get some minds working before the shot rather than afterwords
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Post by Greg Krause on Sept 23, 2006 21:50:27 GMT -5
Broadside, quartering, it all works as long as you can hit the spot. With anything, the steeper the angle the smaller the target, be that from a tree, below it on a hill or quartering. As a rule just stay away from any steep angle and it'll be all good.
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Post by BT on Sept 23, 2006 22:02:51 GMT -5
That is my point. Forever the standard answer is to wait for a quartering shot in order to get the highest probability of a lung hit. But that philosophy does not address what happens if you only hit one lung and where you need to aim to hit both as the angle changes. I never hear about the disadvantages of quartering shots although I hear alot of wounding threads that claim good hits on quartering shot The fact that a deer can go for miles on one lung concerns me and I really don't think many people understand just how much harder it is to get two lungs at an angle as opposed to a straight on side to shot.
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Post by elk4me on Sept 23, 2006 22:36:56 GMT -5
Kris did you start this thread after we talked 1hr on the phone. I am still bummed about that 4x4 Mulie. I told you the low down on it and even sent you a diagram. I am going out again in the Am and look some more. I feel so bad. I am just prayin I can find him in the am. I must say that I did track that deer for alost 3 hrs and about 2 mi beforer I lost him in a huge thick patch of pines so thick you couldnt see 3 ft infront of your face. I hope I can find him I feel so bad. But I am here to tell you from 1st hand experiance that them deer can run a long ways on a 1/4 away shoot down hill . >:(I am having 2nd thoughts and probabily never do it again!
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Post by BT on Sept 23, 2006 23:00:22 GMT -5
LOL!....No ..... look at the start date ... sept 19th I started this because we are coming into the season everywhere and I wanted to provoke some thought. I just came across it tonight and saw that nobody had commented on it. Your shot (on paper) looked classic and you have nothing to explain or apologize for Anyone would have taken that shot IMO You go give it your best tomorrow and whatever happens you and I will know it had nothing to do with being inept on your part
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Post by smj on Sept 26, 2006 6:49:19 GMT -5
To be honest, I have wondered about the "quartering shot" myself. I am not sure that I see the benefit of waiting rather than taking a broadside shot as soon as I can get it... However, having said all of that - if the animal is quartering away from you, it is not looking at you so it would not be watching your actions to draw and release the arrow. Maybe less jumping? ? Also, if the animal is quartering away, you could hit just behind the last rib and zip an arrow of less energy in to the vitals by not having to pass through any ribs. Maybe that counts for a lot more when folks are shooting light weight traditional rigs? ? Also, the quartering shot puts the arrow through the rib cage at an angle. Rather than poking straight through the lungs, you'd rip more along the length of the lung? ? Anyway, just a couple of thoughts!
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Post by BT on Sept 26, 2006 12:10:41 GMT -5
And they are good thoughts I agree for the traditional point but with the majority the K.E. is plenty enough and we come back to what the best case scenario is. Perhaps the bigger the animal the more you should consider a side too shot with modern gear in order to get the air out of those bigger lungs which carry those longer legs
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Post by stilllearning on Sept 26, 2006 14:18:31 GMT -5
Well I would have thought that the broad side shot would be the prefered shot just like it is with a rifle. straight through both lungs and the heart if you place your shot well. Am I right on that one?
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Post by BT on Sept 26, 2006 15:04:47 GMT -5
You can make both lungs but it is alot smaller of a target to get those two area's as opposed to a side too shot. Use the example that I laid out and see for yourself
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