Peep sights - Point/Counter Point

[Greg Krause]

I gotta say, it's nice to be able to debate something on a site and not get into a pissing match about it.

[deadeye]

So Michi....you actually look through the string to see the pins? Doesn't that blur the picture? I have read where guys line up the pin on the edge of the string and some use use a drop of white out or bright serving string where the peep normally would be.

I have to break in a new string and cables and I'll give it a try. Heck, I may as well go back to shooting with fingers to

Keep it simple eh

[michihunter]

Right on the edge deadeye. As soon as I get it to the edge I know it's right on for windage. I use 019 pins and can see then very easily in this fashion. I've heard of people tying a piece of serving on or using an eliminator button too.

[BT]

skipmaster1 said:

I gotta say, it's nice to be able to debate something on a site and not get into a pissing match about it.

Glad that you feel that way

I have a one strike rule here for the most part and if you cant act in a gentlemanly manner then you get locked out

I like a spirited debate and I can go for mindless banter but name calling and such is a big deal breaker here

[mahly]

In defense of peeps.
Light gathering. With bright pins, you can use a full on target peep in very low light conditions. The dominant eye needs ONLY to see the pins. a nice pin hole peep will ensure the pins are ALWAYS on focus, EVEN when keeping your eye focus on the target. BOTH can be in focus at the same time. A peep is the ONLY way to see your pins AND target in focus at the same time. Looking at the target with your non-dominant eye lets you see the target in basically ANY light that you could see the target if you weren't shooting a bow. For non-believing friends, I have demonstrated this by shooting at midnight with my pin light on, and the smallest aperture my peep has (ARC system target peep), and hitting a target with only a flashlight on it 20 yards away...THEN doing the same after putting duct tape on the far side of my pin guard (pin eye is blocked from even SEEING the target with ANY peep...or a no-peep).
THAT for me is the biggest benefit of the peep sight. PERFECT clarity of pin AND target at the same time.
Also, having that ultra accurate ability is very reassuring for me (x2 when turkey hunting...them are some small vitals! GREAT accuracy is needed at 30 yards and beyond!)

I tried kisser buttons, but found them very uncomfortable after less than an hour on the range. The peep sets my vertical anchor, and the string at the corner of my mouth and the tip of my nose sets the other anchors.

I would say a no-peep type device would be a great training tool for someone new to archery in seeing bow torque more easily...but once that is learned, I PERSONALLY have no use for a no-peep. For ME peeps are more accurate, and when used properly, have little if any disadvantage when hunting. That with clear vision seals the deal for me.

[michihunter]

mahly said:

In defense of peeps.
Light gathering. With bright pins, you can use a full on target peep in very low light conditions. The dominant eye needs ONLY to see the pins. a nice pin hole peep will ensure the pins are ALWAYS on focus, EVEN when keeping your eye focus on the target. BOTH can be in focus at the same time. A peep is the ONLY way to see your pins AND target in focus at the same time. Looking at the target with your non-dominant eye lets you see the target in basically ANY light that you could see the target if you weren't shooting a bow.
I tried kisser buttons, but found them very uncomfortable after less than an hour on the range. The peep sets my vertical anchor, and the string at the corner of my mouth and the tip of my nose sets the other anchors.

I would say a no-peep type device would be a great training tool for someone new to archery in seeing bow torque more easily...but once that is learned, I PERSONALLY have no use for a no-peep. For ME peeps are more accurate, and when used properly, have little if any disadvantage when hunting. That with clear vision seals the deal for me.

Where to start here. First I'm talking about going without ANY device- completely peepless. Secondly, using two eyes to acquire two different objects of focus at the same time is not only difficult, but impossible for a lot of people. I've seen double vision result in many shooting at the wrong target by using the non peep eye. Although it can be done, most will find it too difficult to even attempt.

Light gathering is a major issue for most or you wouldn't see hunters trying to find the biggest aperature possible in most cases. And if that's what they're using, there isn't much of a difference in going peepless.

Kisser buttons are not needed for an anchor point if you can anchor consistently without one. The trigger hand placement, the string location at the eye, and the for me the fletch of my arrow are three very good anchor points. I have nothing on my string except a loop.

Accuracy isn't an issue with practice. Whether it be with or without a peep. 3" groups out to 50 yards going peepless is possible as I have shown many times before. A deers vitals are approx 9" in diame5ter, a Turkey's is 4". At 25 yards I can pick a feather to shoot. It can be done rather easily with practice. Save the peeps for paper where you need pinpoint accuracy to an inch and have lights galore to aid you with your shot. In hunting there is no need. I've got 20+ deer with the last 4 strictly peepless. I actually have never shot better. The last one I would have never been able to get if I employed a peep. I was in a Cedar swamp nearing 5:30 pm and it was very dark. But I could pick out every spot on the deer and acquire it with in a millisecond. I don't know too many people shooting a peep that could have done the same. As a result, I had something to fill the freezer that day. I've done both, I klnow what's best for me. Give it a shot and you will see what I'm talking about. But oncce again, this is for the archer that can consistently anchor and has an above average shooting ability.

[BT]

This topic is just killing you isent it Michi ?!

[michihunter]

Just the redundancy. I was a peep shooter for years BT. I can argue the points on both sides but having said that, the argument for me will always side with going peepless. I've seen the best of both worlds and to me there is no comparison. Peepless is just the better option for me.

[BT]

I know buddy but I just get this vision of you sitting there trying to type while your head revolves on your shoulders ;D

[michihunter]

I ain't gone Linda Blair yet if that's what you're wondering!! ;D